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How Do I? 200Tdi - water pump measurements

Snagger

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I was planning to fit a 19J to my 109, but may fit a detuned 200 instead for various reasons. This would be subject to being able to continue to use the SIII rad. I need to make sure that a 200 would fit behind it. Could someone please give me a measurement from the front of the block to the foremot end of the water pump shaft/fan spindle (not including the fan hub).

Could someone also tell me with a fair degree of certainty (no guesses or assumptions) whether a 4-row SIII rad and military oil cooler would be sufficient for a Tdi?
 
well it's sufficent enough for a 19j. i'm running the 4 core rad, with two of the branches from the oil cooler, seems to work well.

We reckon we've solved the 19j issues in one very simple step, will be trying it over easter. the mod will bring the engine in-line with it's TDi brothers and hopefully make it far more useable....
 
Thanks for the reply, Rusty. I know I can fit the 19J behind the rad as it's externally identical to the existing 12J, except for the turbo and manifolds. I need to know if the Tdi's timing case and water pump/fan spindle protrude the same distance form the front face of the block (8") and if the red is sufficient for the Tdi.
 
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Could someone also tell me with a fair degree of certainty (no guesses or assumptions) whether a 4-row SIII rad and military oil cooler would be sufficient for a Tdi?[/quote]

Rad will be ok if in good order, but i would not use the series military oil cooler as its a bypass type and the oil flow rate is not high enough, Tdi etc use a full flow type. Would you wish to blow an engine up by using the X MOD cooler, for the sake of a new proper oil cooler costing less than £100?
 
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Could someone also tell me with a fair degree of certainty (no guesses or assumptions) whether a 4-row SIII rad and military oil cooler would be sufficient for a Tdi?

Rad will be ok if in good order, but i would not use the series military oil cooler as its a bypass type and the oil flow rate is not high enough, Tdi etc use a full flow type. Would you wish to blow an engine up by using the X MOD cooler, for the sake of a new proper oil cooler costing less than £100?
The oil cooler would be plumbed into the Tdi using the Tdi's standard ports, so would be full flow - it's just the location and size of the cooler that would be different (air cooled rather than embedded in the rad).
 
Thanks for the reply, Rusty. I know I can fit the 19J behind the rad as it's externally identical to the existing 12J, except for the turbo and manifolds. I need to know if the Tdi's timing case and water pump/fan spindle protrude the same distance form the front face of the block (8") and if the red is sufficient for the Tdi.

that i do not know... sorry mate :p
 
hi snagger - mines jacked up at the mo so can pop under and get you the measurements you need - please clarify, you want the measurement from the block to the face of the water pump pulley, i will get you the measurements any way and post up in a mo

rgds
 
see piccy attached - sorry I aint no artist, hope this helps tho
 

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Thanks Wildbill. I won't have space for a viscous fan - I'll be using a fixed fan attached directly to the water pump pulley. However, it's not practical to remove the viscous fan from an in-service engine just to measure the distance from the front of the block to the front of the pump spindle, so if you can give me the measurement in the sketch, I'll assume the viscous fan is the same depth as the one on the 19J in my garage and just compare it to 19J to see if it's the same - if it is the same distance or less, then I'll know it'll fit in the 109 engine bay without messing about with the rad.
 
hi snagger

sorry bit confused with the last post.

the overall distance is 170mm from block to front face of fan, is there another measurement u need, just let me know, i can take some pics if it makes it any clearer?

regards steve
 
That's fine, Bill. I'll be using a thinner fixed fan in the 109 because the viscous unit won't fit behind the rad. The figure you have given me will enable me to compare it to the 19J I have in the garage, fitted with a viscous unit. By assuming the Tdi and 19J viscous fans are the same depth, any difference in the measurement you have given me to what I get from the 19J must be the difference in the thickness of the timing case and water pump, which is the measurement I'm after. Clear as mud!
 
I measured 218mm on the 19J - I think you may have measured the distance from the front of the timing case to the front of the fan, Bill, but if you could confirm it, I'd be glad. Just to reiterate, it's the measurement from the block that I need.
 
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