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children leaving school without the three R's.
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charliedenny
Extreme Landy Fan
I am doing a week with my old boss (to help out
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he has had 4 apprentices since April and all of them have had to be let go because they cannot read write or do maths
OK he maybe a garage but the apprentice has o handle cash
read instructions
write down what job they have done
the local academy is not the best! I come accross the pupils most days. a lot of the kids do their best. but there are a lot intrested in knowing where the next hit is coming from. dont want to learn!
)he has had 4 apprentices since April and all of them have had to be let go because they cannot read write or do maths
OK he maybe a garage but the apprentice has o handle cash
read instructions
write down what job they have done
the local academy is not the best! I come accross the pupils most days. a lot of the kids do their best. but there are a lot intrested in knowing where the next hit is coming from. dont want to learn!
Alane
Big Landy Fan
This will come as no surprise given my spelling in half my posts but I failed Maths,Science & ENGLISH (not sure how that works)lol
I studied for my exams but my heart wasn't really in it 100%, before leaving school the only job I wanted to do was join the army.
Did that, got bored and left. then what?
Ok I haven't done too badly with my Close Protection and what not but I've applied for alot of jobs with various companies and got turned down due to my academic failiures.
I do wish I'd done alot better at school.
Ah well, something to pass on the little one
(not sure how that works)lolI studied for my exams but my heart wasn't really in it 100%, before leaving school the only job I wanted to do was join the army.
Did that, got bored and left. then what?
Ok I haven't done too badly with my Close Protection and what not but I've applied for alot of jobs with various companies and got turned down due to my academic failiures.
I do wish I'd done alot better at school.
Ah well, something to pass on the little one
Marc Lurie
Extreme Landy Fan
Readin' Ritin' and 'Rithmetic
I cannot understand how anybody can get through 12 years of school and leave as fuctional iliterate and functionally innumerate.
Perhaps I went to a preparatory school that focussed on getting the kids to read for pleasure, not as a punishment or a chore. As a result, I went into high school as an accomplished reader, and I have always enjoyed reading.
Friends of mine didn't get the same stimulation at their junior schools, and they had difficulty (many still do) in reading. Many are functionally iliterate even today, and they can't read much more than simple instructions or very basic literature. I'm not saying that people have to read complicated or involved literature for fun, but ALL people should be able to, and be excited about reading a good novel, or science fiction work, or a biography, or a technical manual, or any other published book. Life is so much more than "spoon-feeding "TV and poorly written tabloid newspapers.
Chaliedeny has hit the nail on the head. Everyone needs the three "R's".
I cannot understand how anybody can get through 12 years of school and leave as fuctional iliterate and functionally innumerate.
Perhaps I went to a preparatory school that focussed on getting the kids to read for pleasure, not as a punishment or a chore. As a result, I went into high school as an accomplished reader, and I have always enjoyed reading.
Friends of mine didn't get the same stimulation at their junior schools, and they had difficulty (many still do) in reading. Many are functionally iliterate even today, and they can't read much more than simple instructions or very basic literature. I'm not saying that people have to read complicated or involved literature for fun, but ALL people should be able to, and be excited about reading a good novel, or science fiction work, or a biography, or a technical manual, or any other published book. Life is so much more than "spoon-feeding "TV and poorly written tabloid newspapers.
Chaliedeny has hit the nail on the head. Everyone needs the three "R's".
Snagger
Posting Guru
A lot of it is down to schools using calculators and computers - the kids don't learn the basic skills anymore, and it's going to continue to get worse while electronic devices do all the thinking for them. Computers should only be used for IT lessons and in Design Tech or Art, and calculators only on more "advanced" maths like trigoneometry. Other than that, electronics should be banned from school, including mobile phones and games.
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Which was exactly how my Secondary School had gone about things Snagger, except they couldn't get rid of the mobile phones all that easily as the children (because I like to insult the so-called 'teens' of equal age ) would kick up a right big fuss and destroy the classes by just causing problem after problem.
It doesn't surprise me that the children were calling Blair as 'President Blair'. I think one particular reason behind this is that a massive part of the media is American, and as a result has mostly American related aspects in it.
For example, my sister used to call money as dollars because all the 'fun' children programs said dollars as they're American. The only few that didn't were ones that were made here in the UK!
) would kick up a right big fuss and destroy the classes by just causing problem after problem.It doesn't surprise me that the children were calling Blair as 'President Blair'. I think one particular reason behind this is that a massive part of the media is American, and as a result has mostly American related aspects in it.
For example, my sister used to call money as dollars because all the 'fun' children programs said dollars as they're American. The only few that didn't were ones that were made here in the UK!
landydoctor
Trekker
I am doing a week with my old boss (to help out
he has had 4 apprentices since April and all of them have had to be let go because they cannot read write or do maths
OK he maybe a garage but the apprentice has o handle cash
read instructions
write down what job they have done
the local academy is not the best! I come accross the pupils most days. a lot of the kids do their best. but there are a lot intrested in knowing where the next hit is coming from. dont want to learn!
I went to Kemnay academy and i have to say it was much the same there... most of the kids either joined the army or worked at the vauxhall garage next to the school..
Snagger
Posting Guru
There's too much American TV on in Europe as a whole, nut just the UK, so the whole world is gradually being Americanised. I think the other side of the confusion of Blair's title is that he behaves like a president, not a PM, and has changed the office to suit his ego.
landydoctor
Trekker
sorry to post again but NO!! you dont even need a calculator for trigoneometry....I wasn't allowed so i dont see why the "Fik youves" should be allowed... we had to use trigonemetry tables and i wasn't allowed to use a calculator untill i did higher level physics (i failed
) I think all kids shoule have to go to an irish school! they're Ba**ards, things get beaten in to you if youre still thick... tho mine was a bit old skool st Louis community school Kiltimagh
adrianandkate
Trekker
trig tables were easy - bet they don't even know what a slide rule is these days...
landydoctor
Trekker
I had an adjustable set square for technical drawing in uni, one of the ones with a protractor type thingey in the middle.....you would be surprised how many people borrowed it only to give it back saying theu couldn't work it out they used to think a set of callipers (sp?) were for keeping legs straight
they used to think a set of callipers (sp?) were for keeping legs straight
Dave Sumner
Trekker
We teach BTEC and City and Guilds courses for technicians, the maths package includes a section on basic numeracy where calculators are not allowed. The students have to pass this phase. We do teach this phase although a lot of the students can already do it.
School maths GCSE does now include basic maths without calculators. Our students have to have minimum of grade C GCSE in maths and a science- so for most it is a refresher.
The higher level maths/engineering requires calculators.
I show my students a book of maths tables-they have never seen them!
I used them at school, never liked slide rules myself!!
We also have to asses assignments, some students have quite poor english, despite the use of pcs and spellcheckers!
School maths GCSE does now include basic maths without calculators. Our students have to have minimum of grade C GCSE in maths and a science- so for most it is a refresher.
The higher level maths/engineering requires calculators.
I show my students a book of maths tables-they have never seen them!
I used them at school, never liked slide rules myself!!
We also have to asses assignments, some students have quite poor english, despite the use of pcs and spellcheckers!
Snagger
Posting Guru
Fair comment. I used trig tables too, though for the last year of GCSE (I was in the second year group to take GCSE rather than O level), we were allowe calculators. I recall a mental arithmetic test being part of the overall exam too...sorry to post again but NO!! you dont even need a calculator for trigoneometry....I wasn't allowed so i dont see why the "Fik youves" should be allowed... we had to use trigonemetry tables and i wasn't allowed to use a calculator untill i did higher level physics (i failed
nobber
Extreme Landy Fan
timbott
Posting Guru
Now that might be part of the problem, too much reliance on technology. At work we have the latest wizz bang tech stuff on our printing presses and some of the printers are relying on it 100% to do their job for them and we are getting problems with colour variation. What happened to using one's good old series 1 eyeballs and matching the job being printed to the original proof or the first passed sheet off the press
cheers, Tim
Dave Sumner
Trekker
I agree spell checkers are not foolproof, the MS office grammar check is certainly strange, I don't use it.
I hope you don't mind a wife coming in with her two pennorth but I have very strong feelings on this topic.
Firstly I totally agree that the children are too much reliant on calculators etc to do the work for them BUT whose fault is that. The things should be banned untill at least following the KS3 SATS and then they should be taught how to use them correctly once they have mastered the proper way of doing the calculations etc
Then we must remember that not all children are born equal despite what our government would have us believe. Not all children learn at the same rate or with the same interest but they should be encouraged within their capabilities.
Finally we should look at the encouragement little Johnny or Jane get from home. How many parents of 2 & 3 year olds are prepared to sit down with them and talk to them , read to them and play games with them? Unfortunately in this day and age all some parents are prepared to do is sit the child down in front of the TV irrespective of what is being screened, stick a burger in their hand and tell them to be quiet. The love of things educational and the results that follow are the product of a child's early upbringing and unfortunately no amount of government (taxpayers) money will address this problem.
In my experience those who succeed are those who are encouraged . Children readily follow the example of those older and that should be a good one.
I've probably gone on too much but please do not always blame the schools and the teachers when the targets aren't met - remember the old saying You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Margaret - using Mike's log in
Firstly I totally agree that the children are too much reliant on calculators etc to do the work for them BUT whose fault is that. The things should be banned untill at least following the KS3 SATS and then they should be taught how to use them correctly once they have mastered the proper way of doing the calculations etc
Then we must remember that not all children are born equal despite what our government would have us believe. Not all children learn at the same rate or with the same interest but they should be encouraged within their capabilities.
Finally we should look at the encouragement little Johnny or Jane get from home. How many parents of 2 & 3 year olds are prepared to sit down with them and talk to them , read to them and play games with them? Unfortunately in this day and age all some parents are prepared to do is sit the child down in front of the TV irrespective of what is being screened, stick a burger in their hand and tell them to be quiet. The love of things educational and the results that follow are the product of a child's early upbringing and unfortunately no amount of government (taxpayers) money will address this problem.
In my experience those who succeed are those who are encouraged . Children readily follow the example of those older and that should be a good one.
I've probably gone on too much but please do not always blame the schools and the teachers when the targets aren't met - remember the old saying You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Margaret - using Mike's log in
Dave Sumner
Trekker
mmgemini, well put could'nt agree more.
landydoctor
Trekker
I'm still creasing up!! one of my print operators just asked "how do you spell world?? as in around the world" I told him "W..E...R...L...D" he looked really confident and said "hmmm..I thought it was something like that" HA HA!!!
one of my print operators just asked "how do you spell world?? as in around the world" I told him "W..E...R...L...D" he looked really confident and said "hmmm..I thought it was something like that" HA HA!!!