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Manchesters congestion charge!

Peter Cowin

Peter Cowin

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I have just heard that the M60, ring road, is going to be the outer boundary of the new Manchester congestion area. :eek: This means that you will have to pay to used every road in the whole of Manchester, not just the city centre!!:Cross: They are also going to charge £6, I have no idea if this is each journey, perday or per week.
This makes Red ken's little scam look like chicken feed.:toting:
And I thought Dick Turpin was dead :outlaw:
 
can someone explain to me why we pay road tax,because i thought you had to pay road tax to allow you to drive on public roads,so is it legal to charge motorists a "congestion tax" for a public road that you have all ready paid to drive on:eek:
 
:band:

We gotta get outta this place/
if it's the last thing we ever do


sing along with me now
 
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There was talk about it here a few weeks ago. Fortunately I'm just outside the boundary. :D But Oldham is in it. :(
 
what :D

talk about daylight robbery might as well charge a "congestion" charge for the whole of GB
the sooner I can leave the better!!!:D

will the last one to leave Britain switch off the light!:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
So does that mean the airport would be affected or can you still get there for free? I have family in manchester but I dont visit them.......... I do however use the airport now and again:D
 
To give you some idea of the travel chaos of Manchester. I travel early morning from a south Manchester suburb to Manchester University a distance of just over three miles, if I use the car / land Rover it can take me just over an hour and half. Consequently I use, buses that are driven in dedicated bus lanes; however, the journey if travelled before 9.00pm can still take nearly an hour. On fine morning I walk or cycle which is quicker, this I can do in twenty or forty minutes respectively.
It is my understanding that the orbital motorway M60 is not part of the network for congestion charge, but the feeder roads to and from the motorway are namely Princess Parkway (A5103) Wilmslow Road (A415) Kingsway (A34) and Stockport Road (A6) to the south of the city with a similar number of roads coming from the East direction.
While I do not agree with congestion charges par say, believing them to be just another tax on the motorist, I am also fully aware that something has to be done to alleviate the type of journey that I am forced to undertake to arrive at my place of employment. Unfortunately I cannot come up with a simple solution
 
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educationalist said:
To give you some idea of the travel chaos of Manchester. I travel early morning from a south Manchester suburb to Manchester University a distance of just over three miles, if I use the car / land Rover it can take me just over an hour and half. Consequently I use, buses that are driven in dedicated bus lanes; however, the journey if travelled before 9.00pm can still take nearly an hour. On fine morning I walk or cycle which is quicker, this I can do in twenty or forty minutes respectively.
It is my understanding that the orbital motorway M60 is not part of the network for congestion charge, but the feeder roads to and from the motorway are namely Princess Parkway (A5103) Wilmslow Road (A415) Kingsway (A34) and Stockport Road (A6) to the south of the city with a similar number of roads coming from the East direction.
While I do not agree with congestion charges par say, believing them to be just another tax on the motorist, I am also fully aware that something has to be done to alleviate the type of journey that I am forced to undertake to arrive at my place of employment. Unfortunately I cannot come up with a simple solution
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You could try walking the 3 miles:D . I walk the 2 miles to work and it takes me about 25 minutes at a gentle stroll;)
 
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What gets me is what happens if theres a bad accident on the motorway and all the trafic is diverted down one of said feeder roads when you have no intention of going anywhere near them
 
i wouldnt like to see them trying congestion chareges round here.
a congested road is one with 6 sheep on it a tractor and a landrover

se avtat pic thats the main A road thurso to ullapool
 
freelanderPX54 said:
You could try walking the 3 miles:D . I walk the 2 miles to work and it takes me about 25 minutes at a gentle stroll;)
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As I said in fine weather I sometimes do, unfortunately though I have to travel with a laptop and several student thesis's along with personnel reference books and sadly they all add up to a heavy load:(
 
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Hodghog,
You watch out, don't forget that they tried to chrage people to used the car park in Wick!:eek:
As for the airport it is outside the ring road.:D
Oldham, Tameside etc, are all going to charge as well, Roy "I am a proffessional councilor" Oldham announced it in the local rag a couple of weeks ago.:thebird: .
This is the man who took his car up to Rochale or Oldham for a meeting and stated he had to do that as the local public transport was crap and he could not get there in time for his meeting. In the next line he is telling all motorists to use public transport!!!:thedevil: And if we don't then we should pay for the privilege.
I remember seeing pictures of Red Square in Moscow with the lanes marked out for the commi top brass to drive along I woulder in oldham wants that privilage for himself and the rest of his red mates?:D
 
I could say so-what am ok as not near manchester - but I know that Birmingham is looking at it too, once both of them have it - then everyone will jump on the bandwagon (I wonder if the bandwagon has to pay tax :rolleyes: )

Anyway - I think its the small end of the wedge.
 
You are right Dave, it is the thin end. Countless studies have shown that the only way to relieve congestion (sustainably) is to resuce the amount of journeys. This to be achieved through modal shift or getting people to travel at different times. The last few years worth of better journey times have been swallowed up, not by people have shorter journeys to work, but by people living further away fro their place of work.
Road pricing is coming - but it will be a brave politition (spell??) (an oxymoron in itself) that will go for road pricing and road fund licence in a national scenario. First proper road pricing trial due in about 2010.
 
alexia said:
The last few years worth of better journey times have been swallowed up, not by people have shorter journeys to work, but by people living further away fro their place of work.
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Trouble is that how do you prevent this, apart from moving closer - but then I just don't trust companies (especailly big ones). To give you my situation - brought my first house 7 miles from where I work - cycled in the summer, etc (work is in the middle of the countryside - 7 miles away is the nearest town that has shops, schools etc).

Now, after 12 months, company moved me to another site 25 miles away from my house - for a temporary (6 month) placement - no point moving for 6 months (so commute the distance). Return to local site. About a year later I got move back upto the other site (still 25 miles away) - but no idea as to how long I would be up there for - do I move or commute??

Anyway was there for 14 months, and returned to local site - but they then relocated the dept I worked in to a completly different site - now 12 miles away, been there now for 18 months - so do I move closer now, or carry on commuting?

Answers on a postcard to....
 
Excuse my deep cynicism, but I suspect you are about to become the dupes of yet another municiple money harvest, disguised as a congestion curing measure.

I am absolutely no supporter of the London congestion charging project, but it could be argued that it is technically possible to avoid the zone, if you are not travelling to it. The zone is only part of central London and it is therefore possible to reduce congestion within it by diverting traffic around it.

In the case of Manchester, I suggest that they have encircled the entire central area, so avoidance is well nigh impossible. I don't know Manchester well, perhaps Peter Cowin or Educationalist could advise, but unless they double or even quadruple the number of buses and trains that go in to the central area, they do not expect the congestion to be reduced by this measure. But they expect you to pay.

I'm afraid that once they see how much money London is raking in and how much more it is hoping to score, with the zone extension, provincial cities will be quite unable to resist such a lucrative scam.

I never used to be like this. :(

Roger - TfL will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.
 
Public transport isn't good at all to go into Manchester City centre. I've been there, done that and it's terrible. I have gone in at off-peak times and the bus has been packed as it is, I'd hate to imagine what it's like during peak times. :eek:


That same journey took two hours, but by car you can be at the destination within thirty minutes in off-peak hours.
 
Roger Whittle said:
Stay where you are Dave - you've got a Scout Troop to run!

Roger - also ADC (Scouts).
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Evening Roger - Am staying put for the moment - as you said have a Scout Troop to run - oh and work just gets in the way of that :D

Was out today with the older Scouts walking through the warwickshire countryside. They're wanting to do their Chief Scout Challenge, (walking up in the peak district) - so a few training walks are on the cards to see if they can read a map and use a compass - starting off with a gentle stroll in the snow
 
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