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Series III Gearboxes: An Idiot's Guide to the LT76, Including 1-Ton Variants

This is a guide to the main differences that I have found (by reading, and some doing, and by asking questions on this forum) between the 1 Ton gearbox and the "normal" LT76 for the Series III. Most idiots' guides are written for idiots. This one differs in that it was written by an idiot, which is why the position of the apostrophe in the title is correct. Treat the information herein with suitable caution.



I have included remarks on differences between the different gearbox suffixes because, of course, theses are relevant to 1 Ton owners too.



All of this information is available elsewhere, none of it is my original work. If you find a discrepancy between what I've written here and some other authority assume that I've got it wrong.



1 Ton vs non-1 Ton differences:

No, this isn't about Chinese soups.



The mistake that I made when I started stripping an unknown gearbox for a rebuild was to ignore the transfer box until the very end of the strip down. If you look at the WSM, page 37-14, section 37.29.28 it tells you how to decide if you have an all-helical gear transfer box, or a helical-and-spur transfer box.



I erroneously assumed that the all-helical was the standard, later, transfer box and that the helical-and-spur transfer box is an older, more simple design. I was wrong.



It seems that all normal gearboxes use helical-and-spur transfer boxes (WSM page 37-18 , section 37.29.28) and that if you have the all-helical flavour, you're looking at a 1-Ton gearbox, like mine.



The main points are that the inner gubbins in the transfer case are radically different. The parts on the mainshaft that interface with the transfer box are very different. The overall gearing on the 1 Ton gearbox assembly is lower than for normal models; and ordinary overdrives, and high-ratio transfer gear sets, cannot be used to achieve a higher gearing.



So, really, the only folk who would want a 1 Ton gearbox are people who want to rebuild a 1 Ton.



Different Series III Gearbox Suffices:


In essence, suffix A boxes have a few of their own quirks.



Suffix B and C gearboxes are pretty much of a muchness except that during suffix C, the layshaft design changed while, unhelpfully, retaining the same part number.



suffix D gearboxes moved over to ECM gears, which are supposed to be stronger.



You cannot put ECM gears in with an early layshaft.

You can put ECM gears in a late suffix C gearbox, if you also change the 1st/2nd selector shaft. The WSM explains all of this on page 37-20, and tells you how to determine what kind of layshaft you have.



I believe that it is possible to up-rate earlier gearboxes to use a late-type layshaft but it's beyond my competence. I mention this because you might find yourself working on an apparently early gearbox that has been up-rated to D specification by a gearbox specialist.





There now follows a walk through the parts manual, looking at the important differences that I've been able to find. The reference numbers refer to the original microfiche pictures, from the parts manual.







Bell Housing

1H 02 1RE 110



No significant differences apart from the 2.6 petrol version, which uses a different bell housing.

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Front Cover

1H 03 1RE 111



All the same

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Main Casing

1H 03 1RE 109



Suffix A gearboxes use a different casing to all others

Minor changes in drain plug from some D-suffix boxes onwards

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Primary Pinion

1H 04 1RE 164

No difference between 1 Ton and "standard" versions. However, the gears changed from suffix D onwards. The primary pinion / constant gear assembly and the 3/4 synchro for pre-D and D-onward ECM gears are different and are not interchangeable.


606880 primary pinion. Use RTC2684 from suffix D onwards
FRC1758 3/4 synchro. Use FRC6996 from suffix D onwards
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Mainshaft
1H 04 1RE 164 & 1H 04 1RE 165

See remarks regarding D and pre-D gears above. As far as 1 Ton vs standard gearbox differences are concerned, different mainshafts are used and many of the rear mainshaft components differ too.
From the rear end forward....


576725 mainshaft 1 Ton uses 576726

217477 castellated nut 1 Ton uses 521633

217476 locking tab washer 1 Ton uses 521634

501501 washer 1 Ton uses 521636

218244 mainshaft gear 1 Ton uses 522017

502482 distance piece 1 Ton uses 521852

232415 oil thrower - an alternate part (FRC5116) is used for the transfer box deployed with late-D gear boxes.

236305 oil seal - same

RTC1948 circlip - same

FRC5115 bearing housing - same

1645 bearing - same

9960 circlip - same

576735 thrust washer -same

576734 bush -same

591362 mainshaft first gear: for suffix C boxes, use FRC2056; for suffix D, FRC3201

591364 synchro cone - same

608283 inner+outer member: for suffix B & C, use RTC2195; for suffix D, RTC2685

553084 }

503805 } plates, springs, ball bearings. All the same.

BLS108L }

RTC1979 pin - same

6405 pin - same

591364 synchro cone - same

267572 thrust washer - same, choose 267572 to 267575 as required for thickness

591363 2nd gear - same for 1 Ton. Use FRC2673 from suffix D onwards

FRC4076 bush - same

FRC4077 bush - same

556010 3rd gear - same for 1 Ton. Use FRC8179 from suffix D onwards

RTC1962 washer - same. Use 50702 or 50703 if greater thickness needed.

RTC1957 circlip -same

6397 bearing - same

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Layshaft Gears and Reverse

1H05 1RE 167 & 1H05 VS1 043



No differences between the "standard" and "1 Ton" versions.

However, suffix A gearboxes use substantially different parts to the others,

suffix B uses a unique layshaft cluster (FRC1691)

suffix C onwards use layshaft cluster FRC2084
See remarks in the preamble regarding layshaft changes during suffix C production.

Suffix A gearboxes may have been fitted with a reverse gear modification kit.

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Intermediate Gear

1H 07 1RE 113 & 1H 07 5RE 167



The only difference I can see is that the gear cluster changes for 1 Ton models.

533080 intermediate gear cluster fits everything except 1 Ton variants.

539828 is for the 1 Ton gear box.

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Output Shaft

1H 07 1RE 113, 1 H 07 5RE 167, 1H 08 1RE 114 & 1H 08 5RE 168



Apart from the speedometer drive components, there are virtually no parts which are interchangeable between the normal and the 1 Ton versions.

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Transfer Case

1H 09 1RE 115



As far as I can tell, the transfer cases are all the same, despite the different internals. The only variation appears to be that the transfer case was altered during suffix D production and late D variants have different bottom plates and drain plugs

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Rear Mainshaft Bearing Housing

1 H09 1RE 116



1 Ton and normal gearboxes use different bearings and a different housing. There do not seem to be any suffix-dependent variations, however.

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Front Output Shaft and Housing



Parts all look to be interchangeable between suffixes and from normal variants to 1 Ton gearboxes, with the exception of the dust cover and its fixings.

The standard part is 266956 but the 1 Ton uses a 512760 dust cover.

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I hope this helps someone else. Please feel free to point out ant errors or omissions, for which I apologize in advance.



Kind wishes,



Nick
 
thanks for the feed back.

I could probably look it up . but what are the differences in ratios? would they be any advantage t using a 1 ton box with 3.45 ratio diffs?
 
Thanks All,

I needed to work this out for myself, so I thought I might as well share it with any one else embarked upon a similar project.

With regard to ratios, I copied this from http://www.syncrogearboxes.com/land-rover-gearbox-ratios/:

Series Transfer case Ratios:


Transfer case
II, Suffix A & B
88 and 109
IIA suffix C on & III
88 and 109
109 1-Ton
IIA & III


High transfer
1.15:1
1.15:1
1.53:1


High transfer with 4.7 R&P
5.4:1 ( 3686 RPM @ 65mph*)
5.4:1 ( 3686 RPM @ 65mph*)
7.19:1 ( 4900 RPM @ 65mph*)


High transfer with 4.1 R&P
4.7:1 ( 3208 RPM @ 65mph*)
4.7:1 ( 3208 RPM @ 65mph*)
6.27:1 ( 4279 RPM @ 65mph*)


High transfer with 3.54 R&P
4.07:1 ( 2788 RPM @ 65mph*)
4.07:1 ( 2788 RPM @ 65mph*)
5.42:1 ( 3699 RPM @ 65mph*)


Low Transfer
2.89:1
2.35:1
3.27:1


Low transfer with 4.7 R&P
13.58:1
11.05:1
15.37:1


Low transfer with 4.1 R&P
11.85:1
9.64:1
13.41:1


Low transfer with 3.54 R&P
10.23:1
8.32:1
11.58:1




Main gearbox


Suffix A & B
Suffix C on
Ser. III
Ser. IIA & III
109 1-Ton


Fourth
1:1
1:1
1:1
1:1


Third
1.37:1
1.50:1
1.50:1
1.50:1


Second
2.04:1
2.22:1
2.22:1
2.22:1


First
3.00:1
3.60:1
3.68:1
3.60:1


Reverse
2.54:1
3.02:1
4.02:1
3.02:1
 
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Thanks All,

I needed to work this out for myself, so I thought I might as well share it with any one else embarked upon a similar project.

With regard to ratios, I copied this from http://www.syncrogearboxes.com/land-rover-gearbox-ratios/:

Series Transfer case Ratios:


Transfer case
II, Suffix A & B
88 and 109
IIA suffix C on & III
88 and 109
109 1-Ton
IIA & III


High transfer
1.15:1
1.15:1
1.53:1


High transfer with 4.7 R&P
5.4:1 ( 3686 RPM @ 65mph*)
5.4:1 ( 3686 RPM @ 65mph*)
7.19:1 ( 4900 RPM @ 65mph*)


High transfer with 4.1 R&P
4.7:1 ( 3208 RPM @ 65mph*)
4.7:1 ( 3208 RPM @ 65mph*)
6.27:1 ( 4279 RPM @ 65mph*)


High transfer with 3.54 R&P
4.07:1 ( 2788 RPM @ 65mph*)
4.07:1 ( 2788 RPM @ 65mph*)
5.42:1 ( 3699 RPM @ 65mph*)


Low Transfer
2.89:1
2.35:1
3.27:1


Low transfer with 4.7 R&P
13.58:1
11.05:1
15.37:1


Low transfer with 4.1 R&P
11.85:1
9.64:1
13.41:1


Low transfer with 3.54 R&P
10.23:1
8.32:1
11.58:1




Main gearbox


Suffix A & B
Suffix C on
Ser. III
Ser. IIA & III
109 1-Ton


Fourth
1:1
1:1
1:1
1:1


Third
1.37:1
1.50:1
1.50:1
1.50:1


Second
2.04:1
2.22:1
2.22:1
2.22:1


First
3.00:1
3.60:1
3.68:1
3.60:1


Reverse
2.54:1
3.02:1
4.02:1
3.02:1

All very interesting, but what size tyres are we assuming; it does make quite a big difference? David
 
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very good. it looks like if you fitted 3.54 ratio diffs you would be back to standard gearing if you used the 1 ton box.
 
Hmm, but if I rebuild the 1 Ton box, fit it, change the diffs, rebuild my standard box and overdrive, then swap the gearboxes again, I've then got to change the diffs back over. It all sounds like a long way round for a short cut.

I'm increasingly inclined to sell the stuff that I don't need (1 Ton box, spare overdrive) and put that money towards a standard gearbox. What I must not do is to remove the gearbox that's in the Series III right now, unless I've got something ready to swap back in the same day. I know exactly what will happen if I leave the Series III immobile for any length of time.

Nick
 
Hi!!! I read you guide about normal gearbox and 1 ton gearbox. I need some help, and have some questions

I have a S3 1977 . I strip down the gearbox to change some seals and the bearing, now I have a problem with a noise like some gear touching something only!!!! in 4 gear, I can´t give the correct torque to the main shaft nut because I dont have the correct tool. ( If you have some advice I will be very grateful)
But here are my questions I think I have a 1 ton box or maybe the main shaft, because the main shaft is to long and the nut is bigger.
Can you look this pics to know if is a 1 ton mainshaft??
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20181020_190119.jpg

Best Regards!!
Paul
 
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