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The Remembrance Thread - Memorial photos

Lecroc said:
The ones we should really be thinking about aren't dead yet. The ones who our governments have long been happy to use to their own ends but are largely discarded when they return badly broken, those are the ones that the systems should collectively care about and for
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Totally agree. Which is why I give to Erskine, and British legion. At least they do do something.

Successive govts have always failed those who have fought for their country. Can't see that changing any time soon.
 
Lecroc said:
I expect I'm going to offend a lot of people now. Sorry in advance. Remembrance day is a time to reflect on the stupidity of mankind and the inevitability of war. Hopefully to find some way of stomping on the causes of war before they get out of hand. As to the dead of two world wars and those of so many other conflicts, Remebrance 'weekend' is the one day of the year that as far as possible I don't think about it. More people die on a daily basis than I care to think about, and it matters not to me whether their cause of death was war, famine, pestilence or just plain old age. I did not know them and there death leaves me largely unmoved. The dead whose lives I did once know and who shuffled off the mortal coil before their rightful time I miss much and often but I don't wait till the eleventh of November to do so. Remebrance day is the opportunity to supply money to the Royal British Legion and long may it continue, but I'm not going to wail and gnash my teeth and I don't even wear a poppy. I do donate to the RBL, respect all they do, and wish them well even though, for reasons of my own, they won't let me join. The ones we should really be thinking about aren't dead yet. The ones who our governments have long been happy to use to their own ends but are largely discarded when they return badly broken, those are the ones that the systems should collectively care about and for. So remembrance day should get the same sort of media begging bowl presence that 'children in need' has become.
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Can I start with, I am not offended by your comments at all and I agree its the living that need our daily help and thoughts...All of my Uncles, My Dad and Grandfather were veterans of either WW1 or WW11 or both...all my Dad ever said about it was "war is a terrible thing, you see terrible things and it makes you do terrible things". Regarding the RBL, when my Dad was nearing the end of his life it was not RBL who reached out or helped...it was actually Ssafa and the ABF who stepped up...one paid for Dads stairlift and the other sent a small sum each month to my Mum to help with day to day expenses and once a year sent them both a lovely Hamper.
I still buy a poppy, but my Son and I then spent much time fund raising for Ssafa and the ABF because they seem to be more forth coming when its comes to helping the living veterans.
We did once help out in fund raising for RBL until we found out that the two people we were helping were paid a salary out of the contributions.
 
dannym2710 said:
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A different type of memorial- the merlin engine we display at shows. Rebuilt in the memory of the crew of beaufighter R2335:
Donald lake
John Edward bignell
Frank Edward greaney

All 3 killed whilst conducting an exercise to test airborne radar in a merlin powered beaufighter in 1941. On landing the undercarriage refused to deploy, and so the aircraft was taken back up to altitude to try to shake it down with aerobatics. Unfortunately the aircraft lost control and crashed. The engine was recovered in 1978 approx 20 feet down, alongside its sister engine, and rebuilt
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Nice one
There is a guy in Heanor that has 5 Merlin engines in various states of woriking order most Rovers ones. But, one is a Merlin, with the original supercharger with the engine .

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roverman65 said:
until we found out that the two people we were helping were paid a salary out of the contributions
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This is a mega big turn off for me donating anything anymore to anyone for any reason.

If Big Sandy ever buys some PDWAs with the forum money it's game over for my donations :P

I think stuff like the RBL has grown too big for it's own boots these days and has succumed to the charity trappings where it needs to pay itself to continue to remain as large as it is to be able to pay itself etc etc.
Charity seems to get to a point where it is a system on the verge of collapse as it takes most of the resources it gets simply in supporting itself. A bit like most things really.
You have to be wise where you send the cash in hopes it really does go to some good. That's why I like local smaller charities and not large scale 'as seen on TV' stuff.
 
SWBFreeLoader said:
This is a mega big turn off for me donating anything anymore to anyone for any reason.

If Big Sandy ever buys some PDWAs with the forum money it's game over for my donations :P

I think stuff like the RBL has grown too big for it's own boots these days and has succumed to the charity trappings where it needs to pay itself to continue to remain as large as it is to be able to pay itself etc etc.
Charity seems to get to a point where it is a system on the verge of collapse as it takes most of the resources it gets simply in supporting itself. A bit like most things really.
You have to be wise where you send the cash in hopes it really does go to some good. That's why I like local smaller charities and not large scale 'as seen on TV' stuff.
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But the RBL has some great people to chat to in the bar, and also some great snooker tables.
As to people taking money from collections, I agree that the tin rattlers on the street corners and outside supermarkets should be purely voluntary, but people whose working life it is to run any effective charity should expect a decent wage. The problem comes when charities become hidebound and have way more managers than they need and are paid way too much. RBL CEO 95,000, SSAFA CEO 140,000 - numbers which are knocked into a cocked hat by some of the others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEO_compensation_among_charities_in_the_United_Kingdom
 
This statue is in Dumfries on the corner of two out of the way roads. I've always found it very poignant.
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It is a bit of a mystery to me why the Scots nearly always (wrongly) quote "1914-19" as the duration of the great war, whilst the rest of the UK refer to it as "1914-18".
It is true that Scots regiments were fighting in Russia in 1919, as were a whole raft of southern UK regiments, but technically that was the Russian civil war, not the great war. Equally technically that war finally ended in 1920, although presumably by then the UK had got bored and gone home.
 
Lecroc said:
It is a bit of a mystery to me why the Scots nearly always (wrongly) quote "1914-19" as the duration of the great war, whilst the rest of the UK refer to it as "1914-18".
It is true that Scots regiments were fighting in Russia in 1919, as were a whole raft of southern UK regiments, but technically that was the Russian civil war, not the great war. Equally technically that war finally ended in 1920, although presumably by then the UK had got bored and gone home.
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I would imagine that they were less concerned about the proper dates as they were about honoring their fallen loved ones. It's also quite possible that those dates are correct to them and how they felt about their involvement in things. I'm good with it.
 
SeriesG said:
I would imagine that they were less concerned about the proper dates as they were about honoring their fallen loved ones. It's also quite possible that those dates are correct to them and how they felt about their involvement in things. I'm good with it.
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I'm good with it too in principal. I still remain mystified why the two different attitudes obtain.
 
mikeau said:
Ceasefire was 11th November 1918 but the Treaty of Versailles wasnt signed until June 1919.
Pick which date you think WW1 ended...
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A war starts and finishes with the fighting. Otherwise there never was a Falklands war since war as never declared. The alternative being that it went on for a long time - possibly even till now, since when I last looked there had been no peace treaty signed with Argentina.
On my premise the war to end all wars ended on 12th November 1918.
 
McBeardy said:
This is the reason why I thought the two years were recorded.
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So why don't the English, Welsh, N Irish and all the other hangers on do the same? I repeat my original observation, it mystifies me why only the Scots do, the ones I know aren't overly bothered by semantics. My last observation on the topic is that various british medals refer to 1914-1918, 1914-1919 and 1914-1920.
Just for fun I challenge anyone to post a picture, without using AI or photoshop, of a memorial outside Scotland that refers to the 1914-1919 war... There's probably hundreds.
 
Lecroc said:
So why don't the English, Welsh, N Irish and all the other hangers on do the same? I repeat my original observation, it mystifies me why only the Scots do, the ones I know aren't overly bothered by semantics. My last observation on the topic is that various british medals refer to 1914-1918, 1914-1919 and 1914-1920.
Just for fun I challenge anyone to post a picture, without using AI or photoshop, of a memorial outside Scotland that refers to the 1914-1919 war... There's probably hundreds.
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What are you trying to prove ?,does it matter ?,it’s becoming very annoying .
 
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