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EML unable to switch off after repair

Ed Rowbury

In Second Gear
I have a 2017 RR Autobiography 4.4 Diesel. The car has been in a 4x4 specialist since January because both my local Land Rover dealers actually laughed at me when I asked for their help saying they couldn't possibly look at my car for 3 months, hence the 4X4 specialist. My problems began when I was taking the car to have a rear brake motor replaced. The EML came on as I approached the garage and I asked the mechanic to have a look at it whist it was in. A while later he phoned and said that the fault was an Exhaust Gas Temperature sensor in one of the banks. He mentioned that Land Rover parts supply was in disarray and it may be a while before it could be obtained. Subsequently it arrived and the garage then reported that there was an issue with the wiring to the connector. This was rectified and the sensor fitted - the bill for this and the brake motor would be £1200. I paid it. I was then told a week or so later, that they couldn't switch off the EML because the ECU had been "tampered" with and a new ECU was required. Again the woes of Land Rover parts supply was aired and a wait until a couple of weeks ago was endured. Eventually the ECU was received and a strange phone call was received from the garage warning me that when the new ECU was fitted there was a chance that the whole car could "shut down"???? But as they used the same "kit" as Land Rover to re programme, it "could happen with them also"????. But it was "just a chance"!!! I waited nervously for news..... That evening I was told the car was sorted; it had been on a long test drive and could be collected the following morning. I duly turned up - paid the subsequent bill of £1100 and drove it out of the yard. And yes - you've probably guessed, within 10 yards the EML came on again. The same sensor fault appears on the OBD reader and can be erased, however, usually on the 3rd ignition cycle, it comes on again. The performance of the car is unaffected, no overheating, fuel consumption is as was and no limited performance indication. All the 4x4 specialist will say is that they'll have to keep looking, but I just know the bills will continue to rise as their "fault diagnosis by parts replacement" continues. I've taken the car out of their hands. Has anyone experienced anything similar - I bought the cheapest of OBD readers and can see the fault description as above and also one listed as just "Exhaust Gas". I can erase both and again seem to get 3 ignition cycles before the light comes on again. To compound my problems the MOT is due in a few weeks - is an EML on an MOT failure? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.. ED
 
You don't mention what the DTC is - and yes, it'll be an MoT fail...
Can your code reader see the live values from the (many) EGT sensors? if so, then it'll be relatively easy to identify which the problematic one is - bear in mind that they may well have changed the one that was faulting at the time, this may well be another, separate fault. Changing the control module though, I'd challenge them to provide proof it was needed - to trading standards....
 
You don't mention what the DTC is - and yes, it'll be an MoT fail...
Can your code reader see the live values from the (many) EGT sensors? if so, then it'll be relatively easy to identify which the problematic one is - bear in mind that they may well have changed the one that was faulting at the time, this may well be another, separate fault. Changing the control module though, I'd challenge them to provide proof it was needed - to trading standards....
Thanks for the reply - I’m taking it back to mechanics today.
 
I know nothing about your particular motor.. But I'm doing my best to get to grips with engine and car management systems to some degree..
What is becoming clear is that if a car is generating a fault code then that's the starting point..not a cue to replace that particular sensor or actuator... As mentioned you then need some values.. Off a scan tool and or a scope to determine if the component is in fact faulty or there's another underlying issue causing it to generate the code..
If the repairer can not replicate the fault or cause it to happen then they are usually just guessing as to the cause..
Replacing parts to cure faults may work in cases where there is a known issue with specific vehicles and I suppose much quicker than actually trying to diagnose the cause.. And for that reason still seems to be the preferred method of repairs..
Motors are now just getting far to complicated for the average garage to do anything other than mechanical work that does not require some electronic coding or set up to get it to work..

None of which helps you I'm afraid.. But I've had a good rant and feel for you👍🤣
 
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