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Is Bearmach heading for closure

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I heard a rumour from a chap at work that Bearmach is possibly going under. I thought this unlikely but thought i'd ask anyway in case any of you lot had heard similar.
Can it be true or is it all tosh?:confused:
 
Don't know but whenever I asked for Bearmach parts I'd get Britpart so somebody at Bearmach should be having words with messers Craddocks and Paddocks to find out why!!! I'm not surprised they may be going under if the biggest LR retailers keep substituting bearmach parts with britpart.....
 
cheers! I have always used Old Man Emu shocks on previous builds but this time I'm short of cash so was looking at the procomps.

I hope bearmach don't go under as that will leave Britpart to dominate things - a sad day for Series owners :(
 
I hope bearmach don't go under as that will leave Britpart to dominate things - a sad day for Series owners :(
I feel that could be the reason for the rumour, Britpart are the dominant supplier and have been for years. Bearmach was set up to provide a bit of sporting competition to Britpart, probably because the latter was getting a bit too big for its boots; (although I don't have a problem with them I would like them to get with the program on certain quality issues that people have mentioned, but that is more likely an in house management/ego issue)
 
i dont no but ive had major problems with one of there products mainly lift pumps .they dont seem to want to test mine its been 3 months ..so i hope they dont because im wanting my money back and compensation as i broke down ..i will be phoning them on monday .if i get any info i will let you no ..dave
 
I was talking to their head of sales at Biling and he said things were going well.................On the purchasing side I know they have been very proactive in China with their new Purchasing head spending a lot of time in there.

Personally I hope they get their act together as options of supply can only be a good thing for the Land Rover aftermarket.
 
It is worth considering, for a moment, the perils of cheap replacement parts. The three big Land Rover specialists have spent many years reducing their prices by sourcing from further and further east. The result is cheap product for you and me, a boost to the economy of those countries and oddly, reduced profit for the suppliers. The same has happened with other classic car brands too.

The result is British manufacturers who provide quality parts are forced out of business. The enthusiasts have to accept variable quality of product and the specialists finally go bust as they dial profit out of their sales.

Now, as the supermarkets say, it's what the customer wants. personally, I would prefer topay £50 for a part which is to the correct spec, durable and fit for purpose than £25 for a piece of rubbish. Sadly, it is now hard to source this level of quality. The specialists have dug a big hole for themselves through trying to be cheaper than the next man. They make no money and have benchmarked prices at rock bottom. I supply these markets and when specialists are retailing product for less than I can have manufactured closer to home it is hard to educate them and the end user customer that they really ought to pay more and have decent quality.

You demanded cheap. You got cheap and have to live with it. If you demand quality and accept the increase in cost you can have parts which are fit for purpose. The law now prevents businesses from speaking to each other about pricing. Just imagine if company A spoke to company B and said " why don't we both raise our game and offer better quality at a fair price. Our customers will benefit as they will get better product and we will benefit from a greater level of profit". Swiftly followed by prosecution for price fixing/ running a cartel.

Distasteful as it may be to some, businesses have to make a profit, partly to reward those who have invested in the first place and partly to provide the funds to make the business grow, be stable and prosper.

I'm on holiday, too chilled to rant so this is just a view of the world as I see it.
 
The cheaper Britpart type stuff works for the "colonies" because although it is not up to scratch the exchange rate would make buying parts for series Land Rovers VERY expensive. I would prefer original but wouldn't be able to afford it always. There are some parts that original is definitely best but there are some that one can do with other types.
 
First of all I want to say that I completely agree with you that cheap parts equals poor quality, I don't think there is anyone who has visited any of the forums who can be left in any doubt about the poor quality of the cheaper parts suppliers.
I'm not sure that it follows that the cheaper parts were "demanded" by the consumer though. I think it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation - people bought the cheaper parts because they were available thereby encouraging the suppliers to supply more cheap parts. Blaming the consumer for wanting cheaper parts is blaming people for being human - of course everyone wants cheaper parts! When I'm hungry I want to eat - it's what makes us human! Now - if you took a poll of people and asked them whether they didn't mind sacrificing quality for cheaper prices you would possibly receive quite a varied response. Some people might decide that a poor quality part would be fine because they only ever use their Land Rover once a month so why pay for a decent quality part that will last many years when it wouldn't need that kind of longevity. Others may say that some non-critical cheap parts were fine but that when it came to brakes or clutches they would buy the more expensive ones because they didn't want to compromise on those bits that took a lot of time or were safety critical. Others may explain that they always bought genuine parts because they were aware that the genuine parts were better and they had the money to be able to afford them. The responses would possibly be a reflection of the different ways in which people use their Land Rovers, but it would also probably reflect how much money people had available to spend on Land Rover parts.
I think It is this disparity in people's attitudes towards, and use of their Land Rovers (particularly Series) that is the cause of the frequent spats on so many threads between the people who have the motivation and money to "do the job properly" and the people who want to do the job as cheaply as possible so that they can get back on the road. The predictability of the arguments over which welder to buy, whether to invest in a compressor etc etc is one of the things that I find incredibly unhelpful about these forums as there are always people who will advocate what has worked for them and it will always be the exact polar opposite of what has worked for someone else. This, in itself wouldn't be such a bad thing, if you didn't end up with the impression that each of the parties thought the other shouldn't really have a Land Rover because either they were too rich and didn't appreciate the "true spirit" of the Land Rover bodger or they were too poor to "do it properly" and therefore shouldn't be entitled to drive a Land Rover until they could afford their own fully equipped workshop and a stock of fifteen Sorned Land Rovers "for parts".
On the other hand, it is this disparity between people's attitude towards, and use of their Land Rovers that has resulted in there being so many of them still on the road. One thing that I am absolutely certain of is that there wouldn't be a fraction of the Land Rovers still on the road without the availability of the cheaper parts. I dont know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. The elitists would probably argue bad while the bodgers would probably argue good?
I suppose I would like to buy a reasonable product for a reasonable price. I don't want complete rubbish, but I cant afford genuine parts all the time - a nice middle ground would be right up my street. That just doesn't seem to be an option for most things though. There will always be a place for cheap parts as there will also always be a place for more expensive quality parts. I don't think the consumer can be blamed for that though. It is basically down to the business people who want to sell things to source the products that they sell, the choice for the consumer is pretty limited.
I don't find it distasteful that companies make a profit. What I find distasteful is the inflated value many business people put on their time / products. Having spent a few years living in a very isolated spot I found it quite educational to see how the local businesses worked. If the local plumber put his hourly rate up to £45 per hour, the electrician, motor mechanic, night club DJ et al would follow suit. The price of everything was dictated by how much the business people thought they could get away with charging and one or other of them would put up their prices at least twice a year! Of course, when the local adult education centre ran courses on plumbing or DIY or motor mechanics the courses were fully booked within hours! The consequence of that was that the local businesses got fewer and fewer customers - but they still wanted to earn the same large profits - so they put the prices up even more! No one was happy - the business people were constantly complaining that local people didn't support the local businesses and the local people were constantly complaining that the local businesses were ripping them off because they couldn't take their custom elsewhere.
I'm sure it wasn't too long ago that many business people (possibly mainly small local businesses) were seen as having integrity, honesty and good value at their very core but those days have now long gone. Rather than being satisfied with doing a good job and getting a reasonable reward it seems that the vast majority of businesses are now obsessed with maximising profits, cost effectiveness, expansion and pricing "strategies". It is now such a rare occurrence that I find a decent, honest, reliable non-greedy firm that when I do I always try to let as many people know about it as possible (the last one was our carpet fitter - I asked him whether I could write him a testimonial).
I think there would be a lot of customers for a business that wasn't too greedy, treated people well, produced / sold decent quality products at reasonable prices. But that doesn't seem to be the way most businesses work these days so we are stuck with the choice of "stack em high sell em cheap" or "sell a few but sell em for as much as we can" types. Both these types will get business because that's pretty much all there is but I would really love to see something different / better come along.
i'm not on holiday so felt like a rant :)



You demanded cheap. You got cheap and have to live with it. If you demand quality and accept the increase in cost you can have parts which are fit for purpose. The law now prevents businesses from speaking to each other about pricing. Just imagine if company A spoke to company B and said " why don't we both raise our game and offer better quality at a fair price. Our customers will benefit as they will get better product and we will benefit from a greater level of profit". Swiftly followed by prosecution for price fixing/ running a cartel.

Distasteful as it may be to some, businesses have to make a profit, partly to reward those who have invested in the first place and partly to provide the funds to make the business grow, be stable and prosper.

I'm on holiday, too chilled to rant so this is just a view of the world as I see it.
 
Wow Gezz that was really something ;) .

I see and hear what you're saying. I must add though and I don't know if it happens with Land Rover but I'll give you a story of what happened to me.

A few years ago I was having trouble with the clutch on my Toyota car shuddering on pull away after it was replaced. I then spent money (before the clutch wore out mind you) to replace it to get it right. This was done at a reputable clutch replacement centre. The next clutch did exactly the same. I do driver training and so I need the clutch to work well.

I then went to a Toyota dealership and bought an "original" part in aToyota box and paid about R200 (20 pounds) extra for it. I took it out the Toyota box and found it was the same as the pirate part I had put in previously for R200 less. Same clutch just put in different boxes.

We have company here who supplies brake pads called ATE. Having been through various vehicle manufacturing plants I know this happens. ATE supply brakes as original equipment to a number of manufacturers and so the same brake pads will be boxed in ATE boxes and others in the manufacturers names. Obviously those with the manufacturers names sell at a premium price!
 
It was definitely "something" K&S, though what that "something" was even I cant quite work out! How's Jo'Burg these days? I met my wife there when I was working with the street kids back in '95. Spent most of my time in Hillbrow / Bertrams and Soweto but managed to get up to Rocky street every now and again for a couple of Castle stouts (a foul but potent brew). Always meant to go back for a visit but decided to spend all my disposable income on a bloody Land Rover instead.
 
I think there would be a lot of customers for a business that wasn't too greedy, treated people well, produced / sold decent quality products at reasonable prices.

Thats pretty much my experience of bearmach. They seem to be on the money so will be a bit annoyed if they go under.
 
I certainly wouldn't object to paying higher prices for guaranteed high quality parts.

The problem for me is that there just isn't an option for series II vehicles, the vast majority of genuine parts were used up years ago and it takes a lot of hunting around to find any now. Thankfully Land Rover used pretty much industry standard parts for its clutch and braking systems and there are still new parts being made to a high quality for other brands and they can be used.

Nuts and bolts I would buy from an industrial fasteners so aren't a problem and body panels are not structural so I don't really care where they are made.

Chassis are readily available aftermarket to high quality and bulkheads are starting to come on line now with pegasus parts. Sadly they have had problems with galvanising their first batch which has meant them struggling to sell them ungalvanised (especially at £1400 each) which is worrying as if this batch doesn't sell they may not be able to fund future batches of later model bulkheads. Thing is I want galvanised as most people do so I think they made a mistake by not pulling out the stops and getting the issues resolved on that first batch. A brand new galvanised bulkhead for £1400 is not so bad compared to a knackered/repaired and galvanised one from Ashtree.

As Gezzz suggested, I'm quite happy to have cheaper britpart items for non crtitical items such as wing mirrors so it really does just come down to major engine/gearbox and brake system components. Surely we have enough volume worldwide in Series vehicles to warrant a high quality production facility for such items?
 
Another angle of blame is the retailers themselves.............they have been know to play one wholesaler off against another to drive the prices down for them to gain maximum profit from its customers........

This causes competition within the wholesale market to match these prices .....................the manufacturer agrees to lower target prices but then cuts corners in its processes of manufacture causing poorer quality finished items.

Im not trying to make excuses here but put another point across.....
 
It was definitely "something" K&S, though what that "something" was even I cant quite work out! How's Jo'Burg these days? I met my wife there when I was working with the street kids back in '95. Spent most of my time in Hillbrow / Bertrams and Soweto but managed to get up to Rocky street every now and again for a couple of Castle stouts (a foul but potent brew). Always meant to go back for a visit but decided to spend all my disposable income on a bloody Land Rover instead.

Central Joburg has changed over the years and those areas of Hillbrow and Yeoville which were cool party areas are best left alone these days. Nigerian drug dealers have set up shop and the area has gone down quite drastically.

You must definitely get back here though. Many places to visit and the South African part of the Forum love seeing our friends from overseas. Check out the South African part of the forum from time to time.
 
Blimey - I didn't even know there was a South African Section of the forum! Segregation is alive and well here on the forum then! (Sorry - that was terrible).
Hillbrow was the dodgiest place I have ever been - even back then. I couldn't walk to work and back (Bertrams to Hillbrow) without seeing at least one mugging / stabbing or car jacking (that's not an exaggeration - on one walk home I counted three in the space of a mile and half). Best bit of advice I ever had was to always wear a jacket - people always thought you were hiding a gun apparently? It seemed to work for me but i'm not sure why I never had any trouble - I think it was probably just that it was obvious I didn't have a penny to my name. Yeovil was ok back then though - lots of small clubs and tattoo shops (I got my last tattoo done there - paid for by my then girlfriend - now wife). Bizarre as it may sound, I always felt safer driving around Soweto in a beaten up backie, but that was probably because the back was full of kids who were trying to find their families and if / when we managed to find the family there would be the biggest street party ever with bbq sheeps' heads and some extremely foul tasting alcohol!
Will come over the SA section for a visit soon!

Central Joburg has changed over the years and those areas of Hillbrow and Yeoville which were cool party areas are best left alone these days. Nigerian drug dealers have set up shop and the area has gone down quite drastically.

You must definitely get back here though. Many places to visit and the South African part of the Forum love seeing our friends from overseas. Check out the South African part of the forum from time to time.
 
It is worth considering, for a moment, the perils of cheap replacement parts. The three big Land Rover specialists have spent many years reducing their prices by sourcing from further and further east. The result is cheap product for you and me, a boost to the economy of those countries and oddly, reduced profit for the suppliers. The same has happened with other classic car brands too.

The result is British manufacturers who provide quality parts are forced out of business. The enthusiasts have to accept variable quality of product and the specialists finally go bust as they dial profit out of their sales.

Now, as the supermarkets say, it's what the customer wants. personally, I would prefer topay £50 for a part which is to the correct spec, durable and fit for purpose than £25 for a piece of rubbish. Sadly, it is now hard to source this level of quality. The specialists have dug a big hole for themselves through trying to be cheaper than the next man. They make no money and have benchmarked prices at rock bottom. I supply these markets and when specialists are retailing product for less than I can have manufactured closer to home it is hard to educate them and the end user customer that they really ought to pay more and have decent quality.

You demanded cheap. You got cheap and have to live with it. If you demand quality and accept the increase in cost you can have parts which are fit for purpose. The law now prevents businesses from speaking to each other about pricing. Just imagine if company A spoke to company B and said " why don't we both raise our game and offer better quality at a fair price. Our customers will benefit as they will get better product and we will benefit from a greater level of profit". Swiftly followed by prosecution for price fixing/ running a cartel.

Distasteful as it may be to some, businesses have to make a profit, partly to reward those who have invested in the first place and partly to provide the funds to make the business grow, be stable and prosper.

I'm on holiday, too chilled to rant so this is just a view of the world as I see it.

Spot on about cheap parts with no alternative, there is a phrase that goes something like "Buy cheap and eventually thats all that will be left" because all the decent manufacturers have gone bust or changed to other products to make money.
If you want Bearmach, demand Bearmach, from the likes of Paddocks or Craddocks, if they did it to me, they get the whole lot back with a snotty letter, I make it a point now to ask the source of any part I buy if it is not obvious (like a Land Rover box) if we all did that and reacted accordingly the retailers would eventually get the message.
As for the supermarkets saying it what the customer wants, what a load of BS, it what the supermarket forces upon us in the name of trying to grab market share or make more profit (have you noticed in B&Q for instance, how many branded products are being replaced by B&Q own brand), but again if you don't like it, go elsewhere, but don't just buy the cheap rubbish and put up with it.
 
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