If true it's another good reason for sticking with old Defenders or other classic cars.
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What grinds YOUR gears??
- Thread starter Big Sandy
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110landycamper
Trekker
Id disable the computer somehow,that's just ridiculous & possibly illegal secretly obtained data ?
I saw that on the news . From what I understood it was an add on to an app which allowed you to do things with / for your car .
Why do you need an app for anything car related .
Yep I’m a dinosaur and I’ll retreat back to my cave now .
I work in the world of IT I live in a house where I can talk to "my house" and get it to do things for me, I can almost have a verbal conversation with tech! Via work I get to do some pretty awesome stuff. However I despise the fact that all this tech has found it's way into my van and car. I hate that my van behaviour is computer controlled.
Fuel injection and engine management I'm fine with. I am not fine with the driver aids like parking assist or electronic steering assist that poop their pants and either stop me steering or keep the rear brakes locked on. I hate that the onboard computer has the ability to shut down the engine and lock the doors and display stupid errors on the screen that mean nothing to anyone. I really dont appreciate the engine turning off from stop start when trying to reverse park on as steep uphill and the computer telling me I need to put it in park and restart the engine - sometimes this means put in park, turn off key - jump out lock and unlock jump in and try again. If I stay inside the alarm gets triggered then nothing works until I've got out and fiddled with key fob / locks etc.
I don't like that cars have the ability to mess with mobile phones and vice versa. I don't like that my van uses more data than me when it's connected to the house wifi. I hate how to get satnav to the big screen I have to plug my phone in and it has to have a data connection.
Theres a time and place for IT / Tech / Gadgets and having it all in a vehicles grates my nerves! Although the remote start is rather handy (when it bloody works) instead of just beeping the horn or flashing the lights.
Fuel injection and engine management I'm fine with. I am not fine with the driver aids like parking assist or electronic steering assist that poop their pants and either stop me steering or keep the rear brakes locked on. I hate that the onboard computer has the ability to shut down the engine and lock the doors and display stupid errors on the screen that mean nothing to anyone. I really dont appreciate the engine turning off from stop start when trying to reverse park on as steep uphill and the computer telling me I need to put it in park and restart the engine - sometimes this means put in park, turn off key - jump out lock and unlock jump in and try again. If I stay inside the alarm gets triggered then nothing works until I've got out and fiddled with key fob / locks etc.
I don't like that cars have the ability to mess with mobile phones and vice versa. I don't like that my van uses more data than me when it's connected to the house wifi. I hate how to get satnav to the big screen I have to plug my phone in and it has to have a data connection.
Theres a time and place for IT / Tech / Gadgets and having it all in a vehicles grates my nerves! Although the remote start is rather handy (when it bloody works) instead of just beeping the horn or flashing the lights.
There is a proposal that all cars manufactured from 2026 onwards must have a remote cut off - a kill switch if you like.
TD5
Completely agree about the rest - lane management, steering, parking, braking, stop/start, etc - relying on tech takes away basic driver skills and situational awareness. The quality of driving has deteriorated. You can see it on the road every day. Plus big tech has been programmed to now dictate what you can and can't do - I was stuck in a traffic jam a while ago in an Audi Q5 courtesy car. Tried to use the big screen sat nav to look for an alternative route - wouldn't let me. Kept flashing up a warning that it wasn't safe to use while on the move and that I had to pull over. Nanny state I believe this one is manufacturer installed monitoring. The point being the manufacturer is not using it to gather data to perhaps assist with future car design, based on customers driving behaviour/styles (nothing so altruistic), but is passing it on (or selling it) to 3rd parties without your knowledge - in this case so insurers can stitch you up with higher premiums. Plus you weren't given the option to opt out - data gathered without you knowledge and effectively 'used against you'.
I'm a dinosaur too. I try to de-tech, not add more.
110landycamper
Trekker
I don't think I could ever own a newish car,if I can't control things my way. Like touch screen for controls,so there's no switches anymore 
How can a car shut off parking,that's absolutely ludicrous ! Think I'd end up setting fire to it & claim insurance buy something else.
I wouldn't connect a vehicle to the net,it's obviously doing something using data ?
The more computerized the more it'll go wrong, cost a fortune to fix but some faults can't be fixed.
How can a car shut off parking,that's absolutely ludicrous ! Think I'd end up setting fire to it & claim insurance buy something else.I wouldn't connect a vehicle to the net,it's obviously doing something using data ?
The more computerized the more it'll go wrong, cost a fortune to fix but some faults can't be fixed.
Good for them. Hope they are successful.
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Follow up to my post on car manufacturers tracking driver movements and behaviours .....
There's a conversation going on at an American site as to where the tracker/transmitter/antenna are located on different car makes. eg
Also that during services dealers are replacing antenna ripped out by owners. One guy joking that when he sold his car it came with 3 spare antenna he had removed
There's a conversation going on at an American site as to where the tracker/transmitter/antenna are located on different car makes. eg
Also that during services dealers are replacing antenna ripped out by owners. One guy joking that when he sold his car it came with 3 spare antenna he had removed
robwlondon
Posting Guru
The defense industry are very unhappy about this as a networked car can be hacked to act as local wifi hotspot to hack into the site network and circumvent the airgap. Expect car parks to be placed far away from defense sites. The car owner would not be aware (unless of course they are Chinese )
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110landycamper
Trekker
I'll be surprised if sooner or later, someone gets a court case going. Potentially a breach of human rights,to obtain then sell private data.Follow up to my post on car manufacturers tracking driver movements and behaviours .....
There's a conversation going on at an American site as to where the tracker/transmitter/antenna are located on different car makes. eg
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Also that during services dealers are replacing antenna ripped out by owners. One guy joking that when he sold his car it came with 3 spare antenna he had removed
Reduced salt - salt and vinegar crisps 
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I know salt intake has to be moderate but why would I choose salt and vinegar crisps in that case .
Oh and there non reduced salt - salt and vinegar crisps as well . Same colour and packaging with small swirly font “reduced salt” written somewhere .
. I know salt intake has to be moderate but why would I choose salt and vinegar crisps in that case .
Oh and there non reduced salt - salt and vinegar crisps as well . Same colour and packaging with small swirly font “reduced salt” written somewhere .
I saw some lo-salt in the shops the other day. Tagline on the packet "best used when cooking and eating". ???Reduced salt - salt and vinegar crisps
I know salt intake has to be moderate but why would I choose salt and vinegar crisps in that case .
Oh and there non reduced salt - salt and vinegar crisps as well . Same colour and packaging with small swirly font “reduced salt” written somewhere .
robwlondon
Posting Guru
Is this that awful Chinese "rubber" that's seems to be a mix of plastic and cardboard? I bought a rubber gaiter recently and found I could tear it like cardboard, went straight in the bin.
paul123
Extreme Landy Fan
the thing that annoys me most is i used a full set of bushes from the same supplier.
Find all this about celebrating St Patrick’s day to much , why doesn’t the media and British folk do more on St George’s day ,unbelievable
Chinese rubber? Explains their population boom I suppose.
You mean like having a big parade in London and other towns for example.
Or dying the Thames blue?You mean like having a big parade in London and other towns for example.
Yea ,have a parade , not fear about flying the George cross and being called racist 
, have pride in our country , why do we think paddy’s day is more important ?,there is more on media about St David’s day ,St Patrick’s day, burns night than St George’s day because the media and Joe Public think the George cross is a symbol of the right wing , it’s not ,councils have banned the flying of the George cross and only today some govt body has ordered a fekin chip shop to remove its logo with the Union Jack on because it may offend some people in the area , really wtf is going on
, have pride in our country , why do we think paddy’s day is more important ?,there is more on media about St David’s day ,St Patrick’s day, burns night than St George’s day because the media and Joe Public think the George cross is a symbol of the right wing , it’s not ,councils have banned the flying of the George cross and only today some govt body has ordered a fekin chip shop to remove its logo with the Union Jack on because it may offend some people in the area , really wtf is going on