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Series III Full Electric Conversion

There is quite a bit of Anti-EV commentary on this forum, and it is quite off-putting at times.
Could be he's joined a more EV friendly forum or Facebook group. I use this forum for general Landy stuff, and all my EV conversion planning elsewhere.
I think there are plenty of people here who are genuinely interested, but probably not a lot of constructive support, assistance or experience.

Or maybe the project has just stalled. Battery boxes and motor adapter plates are something you can really get stuck into with your existing knowledge & skillset, then when it comes to things like BMS wiring, you're crossing the boundaries of conventional home Land-Rover tinkering and it quickly gets both complicated and tedious, with the potential for costly mistakes if you connect the wrong wires in the wrong order. Also expensive!
Hey I'm keen!
I'm waiting for a reply from London Electric Cars, I've been following the progress of the company from their first Land Rover conversion in 2019 to the current specialist kits.
I will update you guys as soon as they get back to me (they are quite busy atm).
Meanwhile check out the DIY Electric Car forum. This is packed with classified ads and ideas for EV projects:
 
Hey I'm keen!
I'm waiting for a reply from London Electric Cars, I've been following the progress of the company from their first Land Rover conversion in 2019 to the current specialist kits.
I will update you guys as soon as they get back to me (they are quite busy atm).
Meanwhile check out the DIY Electric Car forum. This is packed with classified ads and ideas for EV projects:
I'm on the waiting list with Electric Classic Cars (The "Proper ECC"). I might get a call this year, If I'm lucky.

Since I did that though Electric Car Converts (The "Other ECC") have brought out a Series and Defender Kit at a considerably lower price. Doesn't include Fitting and I don't know if they sell them for DIY installation. ( Most other companies have clearly said they won't sell kits to the public.)

Also Zero EV / Fellten have launched a Defender kit, it was in LRM recently with a Tesla motor.
It has a masterpiece of a battery pack that fully replaces the front seatbox, rather than trying to fit under it. This should fit a Series as well. Their Australian branch (Jaunt) are working on the series version of this kit.


Chris Hazel who runs Fellten told me on Facebook that they are working on their own torque vectoring central gearbox that will work with twin
motors, powering one or both motors at any moment as required.

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Those motors can be one two 70kW units for Max efficiency, One 70kW and one 180kW for a good mix of power and efficiency, or two 180kW motors if you are a lunatic.

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I have visited the DiyElectricCar forum a few times, but not signed up just yet.
There's an Electric Land-Rover/4x4 Facebook group which I do use. There are number of people there who converted theirs a few years ago and happily using them as daily drivers, as well as a few from conversion and supply companies who frequently contribute.
 
I have visited the DiyElectricCar forum a few times, but not signed up just yet.
There's an Electric Land-Rover/4x4 Facebook group which I do use. There are number of people there who converted theirs a few years ago and happily using them as daily drivers, as well as a few from conversion and supply companies who frequently contribute.
Iain
Do you have a link to that facebook group, searched under the details you gave but no luck so far.
 
So what happens when these niche products break down or need service..... my (limited) experience of electric bikes from niche manufacturers is that you're on your own....

Regards conversions, battery technology is coming on so fast that I'd wait, tbh, there will be much lighter batteries with much greater capacity. Current stuff is steam age.

Important point, do you get a choice of the noise it makes? Has to make a noise as you drive... I fancy the theme from The Woodentops.
 
So what happens when these niche products break down or need service..... my (limited) experience of electric bikes from niche manufacturers is that you're on your own....

Regards conversions, battery technology is coming on so fast that I'd wait, tbh, there will be much lighter batteries with much greater capacity. Current stuff is steam age.

Important point, do you get a choice of the noise it makes? Has to make a noise as you drive... I fancy the theme from The Woodentops.
The individual parts are not niche products.
(You probably could buy unreliable unbranded unserviceable junk from china if you tried, but it will be junk, so don't.)
Many are using salvaged parts from damaged vehicles (fully tested of course).
Things like Tesla or Nissan Leaf drive units (integrated motor and inverter) are readily available and very reliable, but genuine and aftermarket parts are available.

There are a number of motor manufacturers making brand new EV specific motors available to the conversion market and low volume manufacturers like Morgan.
GM are making Crate EV motors that will bolt in where one of their V8s used to be.

The fast moving pace of battery technology is a gamble. Prices are coming down, both for salvaged battery modules and brand new modules from mainstream manufacturers.

Unfortunately Tesla Model 3s now use very long battery modules that can't easily be used in a conversion. It makes them cheaper on the used market, though they are gaining popularity for home storage.
If you were willing to put the battery box between the seat boxes of the rear tub on an LWB, you'd get a large and relatively cheap battery, but crap centre of gravity and reduced load space.

With most manufacturers now using bespoke "skateboard" layouts for production EVs with long flat battery packs it's like that battery modules inside will become larger and harder to repurpose for a conversion which needs smaller parts that can go into the spaces available on cars designed for combustion engines.

I don't want to hijack this thread. but there's more interest in EV conversions here than I've seen before on this forum.
If you guys think it would be useful, I could start a new thread outlining the general approach, components, methods involved in an EV conversion from the ground up and the challenges and problems involved both in physically doing the conversion and then running that vehicle day-to-day.
 
Any idea of the cost involved @lain Slll .be interested to see how it compares to a Company near me .thankyou 😉
Prices were not fixed, it all depends on the parts and options you want, and the condition it's in to start with. When I enquired everything Electric Classic Cars made was made bespoke, now they have standard kits for defenders, and have used that on a 88. They are never going to be the cheap option.

Electric Car Converts do a Defender kit with a central mounted Tesla motor for £46k +vat.
Their Series kit that keeps the gearbox, transfer case and part time 4x4 is £29k+vat.
I would be surprised (and worried) if any company offers a conversion for less than that, unless they haven't done one before and are doing it for free to build up a portfolio.

I've heard mention of a voluntary code of standards for conversions in the UK to prevent poor quality jobs and reputational damage to the whole sector. It would also make Insurance and DVLA recognition easier.
I suspect it's likely to be based on existing Australian standards.
If you are speaking to any conversion company, ask about that, to see if they are aware, involved and planning to sign up to it.
 
If you guys think it would be useful, I could start a new thread outlining the general approach, components, methods involved in an EV conversion from the ground up and the challenges and problems involved both in physically doing the conversion and then running that vehicle day-to-day.
Be interesting to see that..

And, well, that's what this section is for! Thought we'd put the EV conversations together, easier to find then.
 
Prices were not fixed, it all depends on the parts and options you want, and the condition it's in to start with. When I enquired everything Electric Classic Cars made was made bespoke, now they have standard kits for defenders, and have used that on a 88. They are never going to be the cheap option.

Electric Car Converts do a Defender kit with a central mounted Tesla motor for £46k +vat.
Their Series kit that keeps the gearbox, transfer case and part time 4x4 is £29k+vat.
I would be surprised (and worried) if any company offers a conversion for less than that, unless they haven't done one before and are doing it for free to build up a portfolio.

I've heard mention of a voluntary code of standards for conversions in the UK to prevent poor quality jobs and reputational damage to the whole sector. It would also make Insurance and DVLA recognition easier.
I suspect it's likely to be based on existing Australian standards.
If you are speaking to any conversion company, ask about that, to see if they are aware, involved and planning to sign up to it.
Definitely not a cheap option to join the EV world ..the guys near me charge £30k based on a Nissan note conversion ,they have just done Chef Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall series 109 which will be featured in an upcoming Tv series .,they have done several series conversions 1.2a and an early Range Rover .Mini mk1 …looks good work .
 
We will see these costs drop as the new car prices drop over the next year or so with a raft of new cars coming onto the market. The current £30K price is comparable to buying a cheap EV at present... but that will fall with the new Dacia Spring and also the Renault 5, both of which will be below the £25,000 mark, plus the raft of new Chinese cars as well in the same price band.
 
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