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Anyone thinking about going electric ?

Fulltimedad said:
How viable is the forum commissioned parts for sale ?
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Fairly?

There are a number of companies that have a website where you upload a 3D model and a technical drawing, send them money and a few weeks later you have parts on your doorstep.

I believe there are a number of members that are handy with some sort of 3D modelling software and technical drawings aren't too difficult in my experience. Admittedly only with simple parts do far, but I'm down to learn about it further.

If we get a small batch of whatever made, we could sell them for the cost of the part, plus a small percentage for forum running costs or whatever.

Good single piece bushes seem to be in demand. I wouldn't mind making a model/drawing to check the price of, say 12? 20? More? Should take a few hours tomorrow. Didn't someone post a sketch the other day?
 
Dalts2904 said:
I don't think so?

There will always be losses, no matter what you use. Heat, light, sound etc. I think mostly losses to heat are the greatest losses and hardest to control.

Maybe I'm way off on that though, please correct me if I am! :)
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I was looking at it in a more Gaian way. There must be a way to produce energy that's not detrimental to the environment. Just think about the space elevator as a concept, perfect in its simplicity but bloody difficult to put into practice. Plus I suspect Elon Musk would buy the patent and sit on it till he could cash in.
I think energy is a lot more complicated than a few equations we learned in O level physics.
 
Kevm said:
@Big Sandy I see there is an article in the P&J today about a lithium battery factory in Thurso, they want to build a "gigafactory" hope it goes ahead.
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Atme... They set up in 2013 I think. Second biggest battery manufacturer in the UK. At the start of the year they were trying to raise 7 million to make the company a plc. That loon Lord Thurso is on the board of directors, used to be a libdem MP.

My son works just round the corner from their current factory. You wouldn't even know it was there... Its near the Wolfburn distillery.

It would certainly provide a few jobs for the area.
 
I've been following this thread as it meanders off topic and then back again.
The Naysayers seem to fall into two groups.
First there are the deniers.
They seem to believe that a fosil fuel ban is just some sort of bad dream.
They expect that the world will come to its senses soon and forget about the whole silly idea.
So there's no need to think about any ridiculous idea of electric power, because of course their heavily poluting old vehicles will still be running in 50 or 100 years.

The second group actually accept that there will be a ban, but would rather just park up their series Land Rover rather than mutilate their pride and joy.
Of course that is their perogative, and it is their vehicle after all.
But what will happen to even the best loved Land Rover when you can't even buy a gallon of petrol to fire it up occasionally.
You can remove the plugs and squirt some oil in now and again, then wind the engine over to keep everything free.
How many people will bother to maintain a vehicle which can never be used again.
I suspect that most will end up being neglected then scrapped
 
DarrenH said:
I think that is over sensationalised and not fact based. most of what you hear from cars at distance is white noise from tyre friction. You may have a point in car parks and stuff where pedestrians are involved
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No, it's happened to me 3 times recently while out walking the dog. Narrow country lane with little traffic, walking and talking to swmbo and suddenly realise there's a car behind us wanting to pass. Neither of us heard it come up the hill and sit behind waiting.
 
Think the assumption is that it will take time for petrol and diesel to phase out, just like how steam locomotives still run today.

The difference is though is that we are under pressure to reduce fossil fuels due to the climate impacts. Recent flooding events in Germany and a direct result of changing weather events which pushes for faster changes.

If it was just the motor industry, then maybe some of the arguments might stack up as to why we do not need to worry about it. Except it is not, it is also coming into the construction industry with the banning of natural gas only boilers in just a couple of years, the stronger regulations requiring renewable energy sources built into new homes. The aviation industry is under pressure too, otherwise we would not be seeing the development race going on there between airbus and Boeing trying to work out alternative ways of powering aircraft.

Then we also have the war on cars by most of the cities in the uk and a lot of Europe too, originally based on the the pollution aspect but now clearly also on personal car ownership as demonstrated by the parking charge zones been expanded across cities, if those were for green purposes surely electric car owners would still get free parking but they don’t, but city car club cars do.

Don’t be surprised if legislation comes along restricting the use of petrol/diesel cars in the future on uk roads. Maybe it will come to the point the only time we see such vehicles running will be special organised events or at museums just like the steam locomotive groups.
 
Cliff4WD said:
No, it's happened to me 3 times recently while out walking the dog. Narrow country lane with little traffic, walking and talking to swmbo and suddenly realise there's a car behind us wanting to pass. Neither of us heard it come up the hill and sit behind waiting.
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I have had it happen a couple of times were people have not heard me come up behind them in my Duster, till I revved up the engine a little, which I take as not bad.

Somehow though, I think converting my 90 to electric will not make it whisper quiet, still plenty of other rattles and nosies will still come from it I am sure!
 
Oh with regards to sound of electric cars, you can add sound artificially if you wish, and before you cry to say how false is that, some current sports cars on the road already have such systems due to the fact the V12 etc has so much in the way of emissions controls they are now too quiet, and have to be artificially enhanced to make them sound as the owners expect.
 
Found this interesting on the ffrr forum from someone at Cummins in Rugby;

Cummins are not only making fuel cells but also the electrolisers to produce Hydrogen. They are targeting green hydrogen.
In Canada they are using hydro power to run a 5Mw Hydrolyser. On the plains of Spain a solar farm is being built - right next to it a Cummins Hydrolyser to use all the excess electricity in Hydrogen production.
Fuel Cells and Electrolisers are all scaleable. You want more power, add another fuel cell etc.

There are many delivery / refuse / long haul trucks using Cummins powertrains out testing. All Fuel cell powered.
Cummins are not just doing the fuel cell, they are doing the full control system, motors, drive systems etc.
There's an experimental trains in Germany running on Cummins Hydrogen fuel cells.
They don't have the weight penalty of batteries - something Lord Bamford mentioned.
Quick to refuel (compared to batteries).
At the moment there are many times wind farms and solar farms produce more power than the demand - that power can all be used to make green hydrogen.
Cummins are also involved with Hydrogen storage solutions because We need the whole package from production to storage to use.

As time an technology advances the cost of hydrogen will come down.


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Also we can make hydrogen as a byproduct from Steelmaking we’re about 5yrs away with investment in the Netherlands from having a hydrogen plant. No natural gas involved 😇
 
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Cliff4WD said:
No, it's happened to me 3 times recently while out walking the dog. Narrow country lane with little traffic, walking and talking to swmbo and suddenly realise there's a car behind us wanting to pass. Neither of us heard it come up the hill and sit behind waiting.
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Likewise to me with a granny in a Leaf, driving in the cycle lane!
 
Also would add fuel wise think the next 20yrs will be fine for ICE as ban is 2030, predicted vehicle life is ten years, so that takes us to c.2040 as a minimum, then beyond that synthetic fuels are already in development for specialist vehicles such as classics. It’ll be plan your route and get Amazon to deliver it to drop off points on your route (believe they’ve already looked into such a proposal).
 
Slow Progress said:
Likewise to me with a granny in a Leaf, driving in the cycle lane!
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For what’s it’s worth she did touch the back of my bike at low speed, when I spoke to her she acknowledged she’d been using the kern as her reference and that she’d braked
Dalts2904 said:
I don't think so?

There will always be losses, no matter what you use. Heat, light, sound etc. I think mostly losses to heat are the greatest losses and hardest to control.

Maybe I'm way off on that though, please correct me if I am! :)
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what we need is an endothermic reaction as fuel….then 100yrs from now they’ll be debating how to combat global cooling 😂
 
30EK42 said:
I've been following this thread as it meanders off topic and then back again.
The Naysayers seem to fall into two groups.
First there are the deniers.
They seem to believe that a fosil fuel ban is just some sort of bad dream.
They expect that the world will come to its senses soon and forget about the whole silly idea.
So there's no need to think about any ridiculous idea of electric power, because of course their heavily poluting old vehicles will still be running in 50 or 100 years.

The second group actually accept that there will be a ban, but would rather just park up their series Land Rover rather than mutilate their pride and joy.
Of course that is their perogative, and it is their vehicle after all.
But what will happen to even the best loved Land Rover when you can't even buy a gallon of petrol to fire it up occasionally.
You can remove the plugs and squirt some oil in now and again, then wind the engine over to keep everything free.
How many people will bother to maintain a vehicle which can never be used again.
I suspect that most will end up being neglected then scrapped
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To convert mine to electric would remove the entire reason I have them.
That is an easy vehicle to maintain and one I can start with a piece of wire and a screw driver
In any case fuel is still going to be available for my lifetime so why bastardise a perfectly good vintage vehicle for the sake of jumping onto a bandwagon that's likely to have the wheels come off anyway till alternative fuels are properly sorted.
 
Stan the Man said:
To convert mine to electric would remove the entire reason I have them.
That is an easy vehicle to maintain and one I can start with a piece of wire and a screw driver
In any case fuel is still going to be available for my lifetime so why bastardise a perfectly good vintage vehicle for the sake of jumping onto a bandwagon that's likely to have the wheels come off anyway till alternative fuels are properly sorted.
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Beware the Teslerati troll 😂😂
 
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