Not scrapped, thats sensationalist, all those people that are paying 20 to 30k for restored vehicles will be selling them to places in the world where fuel is still available . I.e everywhere outside Eurwoke.
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Anyone thinking about going electric ?
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Truth is we’re all entitled to an opinion and we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I’m lucky I have to do strategy on future auto design including propulsion and body/chassis design so I get involved in all the debates with all of the OEM’s and the market/consumer analysts. What I see from that is a lot of EVs over the next 5-10yrs followed by Hydrogen fuel cell roll out 5-10yrs out. So my plan is to opt out of the company car schemes until taxation settles as hybrids are gearing up to get clobbered as they’re a company car tax swizzle! (Trust me I know). Then wait until appropriately priced fuel cell SUV’s /estates exist with a range of 400+miles. In the mean time come April I’ll pick up an L322 maybe even eventually an L405 as a daily with a view to running it until then. Yes lots of emissions, but no emissions in the manufacturing of a new vehicle as it already exists, CO2 payback on an EV depends on annual mileage, if you’re not doing much mileage buying an EV is producing loads more CO2 in the manufacturing process than running an existing vehicle. If you’re above 15k a year then it may make sense over a 3yr period and that will come down, but it’s only for the well off at the current prices.
Hardest thing to plan for of all is autonomous driving, and trying to design car crash structures for vehicles in case people are laying down facing backwards, how to cater for a work station (desk) in the event of a smash
I forgot to add….anyone wondered why Toyota hasn’t developed a pure EV……..the people who brought the Prius to market…. the biggest car manufacturer in the world…
I’ll let you guess why….
I’ll let you guess why….
I'm 64. I dont see diesel disappearing in my lifetime. If it does, I may source heating oil, or put a plough on the back, register it as an agricultural vehicle and run red diesel (does anyone see every farmer in the land giving up his tractors and combines and converting from fossil fuel anytime soon..? no, me neither). If I run out of those, I can probably get enough used oil from the chippies and filter it, or just buy commercial cooking oils...
Do we really think that every vehicle running in Africa or Asia or the poorer parts of Euroland will be converted to Hybrid or EV anytime soon? So there will be demand, production and distribution going on somewhere in the World. I may have to buy an old tanker and drive it back full of diesel. Could even sell on the surplus to pay the costs...
My view is that evolution always wins over revolution, and is the natural way (not withstanding that the natural way can be disrupted by multinational greed). Converting or adapting infernal combustion engines (existing and understood technology with 100 years of experience and gazillions of people capable of carrying out repairs) to run on hydrogen generated from green energy sources is the way forward.
Do we really think that every vehicle running in Africa or Asia or the poorer parts of Euroland will be converted to Hybrid or EV anytime soon? So there will be demand, production and distribution going on somewhere in the World. I may have to buy an old tanker and drive it back full of diesel. Could even sell on the surplus to pay the costs...
My view is that evolution always wins over revolution, and is the natural way (not withstanding that the natural way can be disrupted by multinational greed). Converting or adapting infernal combustion engines (existing and understood technology with 100 years of experience and gazillions of people capable of carrying out repairs) to run on hydrogen generated from green energy sources is the way forward.
Bang on.
I love the grasping at straws like African countries still needing diesel and petrol, oh they will never have EV's or Hybrids anytime soon... you do reaslise they already have them there... they actually build them there in various countries... the problem over there is costs, only the rich can afford the EV's and Hybrids and new cars in general.. the average Joe is actually driving our MOT failures.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54665545 but that is changing, African and other poor nation states are starting to make a stand against such things, as they also have environmental concerns as well.
Malaysia has already started to say enough is enough with regards to UK "recycling" waste been sent there, and sent a whole load back.
Plus, what poorer parts of Europe... as they are bound by the same legislation of banning new Petrol and Diesel cars and Lorries the same as the rest of Europe....
The issue is, rich nations like the UK tax the hell out of fuel, this is an interesting site.. https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
Note who is cheap and who is expensive... notice that generally the first world nations, excluding the USA, are expensive because of taxation, rather than the fuel costs. So getting your cheap fuel from Russia, by the time you transport it, then pay the import duty which will also include the fuel taxes we pay anyway, you will need deep pockets...
Malaysia has already started to say enough is enough with regards to UK "recycling" waste been sent there, and sent a whole load back.
Plus, what poorer parts of Europe... as they are bound by the same legislation of banning new Petrol and Diesel cars and Lorries the same as the rest of Europe....
The issue is, rich nations like the UK tax the hell out of fuel, this is an interesting site.. https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/
Note who is cheap and who is expensive... notice that generally the first world nations, excluding the USA, are expensive because of taxation, rather than the fuel costs. So getting your cheap fuel from Russia, by the time you transport it, then pay the import duty which will also include the fuel taxes we pay anyway, you will need deep pockets...
Bound? Really?
What country has just made LGBT illegal despite obvious European dictates for just the opposite. A country run by knobs will do what they want.
We're well out of the beaurocratic mess over the channel.
another great insight…
same issue on I-pace, not quite so bad on some of the hybrids, think Lexus RX battery is between £3-5k but they’ve stopped making the replacement batteries for the obsolete model so when they’re gone they’re gone…..
also if you’re an ev lover don’t search the bmw 7 series hybrid issues!!!! Cars are getting written off after relatively (compared to ICE) short lives.
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I do wonder why VAG didn’t push on with the work they did on their XL1 it would have been much easier to extend ICE as I seem to recall it achieved c.250mpg?? with very clever design. Appreciate it would be stop gap, but a very interesting concept and approach….assuming the mpg was correct of course 
That hasn’t ended yet, and which country is going against climate change legislation in Europe, the UK has been trying to jump ahead to prove we are better than them!!!
Erm…. Can we keep politics out of it? I’m sure there are Brexit (pro/against) forums for a dust up elsewhere?? 
We can only control what we can control and we are where we are….
I am fascinated by different peoples views on the future conundrums we face. I’m personally looking forward to a flying hydrogen fuel cell Range Rover……I’m sure reliability will be sorted by then
We can only control what we can control and we are where we are….I am fascinated by different peoples views on the future conundrums we face. I’m personally looking forward to a flying hydrogen fuel cell Range Rover……I’m sure reliability will be sorted by then
Yes, but one thing that is happening is that while the vehicle sale price drops, once the batteries are changed the car resale value goes back up. This garage does replacements for the Nissan Leaf, https://www.cleevelyev.co.uk/battery-upgrades/ not only can you take your old batteries they can put the newer larger capacity ones in and extend the range of the original car. Costs will come down but Tesla have always been expensive with regards to the batteries.
With regards to battery packs not been available from Lexus, they should search on Wish
BMW’s have issues with mostly the ICE engine in these cars with, oh yes, head gasket failures, there was a video about this on the subject, the ice is so complicated it is beyond the dealers to change even the head gasket!
Not just that Stan, the government is well aware what the classic car scene is worth to the economy, so a solution will be found. It’s just that they intend to ride both horses at once!
Land Rover already stated they will be running fuel cell in the Defender, many others are working on it, and Honda have been selling fuel cell cars for some time now in the second generation. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/honda/clarity-fcvErm…. Can we keep politics out of it? I’m sure there are Brexit (pro/against) forums for a dust up elsewhere??
I am fascinated by different peoples views on the future conundrums we face. I’m personally looking forward to a flying hydrogen fuel cell Range Rover……I’m sure reliability will be sorted by then
Think it’s the same on the i8 engine as well, they’re a mixed bag. I’m surprised that aftermarket batteries aren’t available yet, also that the recycling tech for hybrid/ev batteries isn’t ready for the scale required.Yes, but one thing that is happening is that while the vehicle sale price drops, once the batteries are changed the car resale value goes back up. This garage does replacements for the Nissan Leaf, https://www.cleevelyev.co.uk/battery-upgrades/ not only can you take your old batteries they can put the newer larger capacity ones in and extend the range of the original car. Costs will come down but Tesla have always been expensive with regards to the batteries.
With regards to battery packs not been available from Lexus, they should search on Wish
BMW’s have issues with mostly the ICE engine in these cars with, oh yes, head gasket failures, there was a video about this on the subject, the ice is so complicated it is beyond the dealers to change even the head gasket!
I still want a flying hydrogen fuel cell Range Rover lightning…. I have a spare kidney??
Here is one for everyone, how many use rechargeable battery tools rather than electric power cables.
The early ones, batteries were expensive, often easier to buy newer tool with battery than replace the battery.
Batteries improved, and many replacements can be found.
The early ones, batteries were expensive, often easier to buy newer tool with battery than replace the battery.
Batteries improved, and many replacements can be found.
I've mentioned before the biggest polluters.
Aircraft.
When will we see electric aircraft? You can't remove one engine and say everybody must do the same, without removing them all.
Money would be better spent on improving broadband, let people work from home, reduce travel and the reliance on oil burning vehicles.
That all being said, electric motorcycles seem like good fun.
Aircraft.
When will we see electric aircraft? You can't remove one engine and say everybody must do the same, without removing them all.
Money would be better spent on improving broadband, let people work from home, reduce travel and the reliance on oil burning vehicles.
That all being said, electric motorcycles seem like good fun.
Yep we do jingoism like it's going out of fashion. The UK does like to keep one step ahead on the moral high ground ladder. And yes that hasn't ended yet but a system that let's 10s of thousands get murdered and sits by watching has no kudos in any way shape or form. Have they learned any thing.....that remains to be seen.
Ok that's the end of the politicking.
I do think that the reason many are not investing the family jewels into this tech. is that no body wants to be the next beta max man.I do wonder why VAG didn’t push on with the work they did on their XL1 it would have been much easier to extend ICE as I seem to recall it achieved c.250mpg?? with very clever design. Appreciate it would be stop gap, but a very interesting concept and approach….assuming the mpg was correct of course
Alternative fuels are coming on a pace but who's going to be the winner, maybe a lot are hedging their bets.