I'm prepared to keep my series Landy going on petrol for the time being in the hope that one day I can convert it to hydrogen fuel cell or hydrogen ICE. David
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Anyone thinking about going electric ?
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Another link to a hydrogen ICE vehicle article on the Corolla by Toyota, this one has a video with the engine noise. Hadn’t fully appreciated it competed in an endurance race. It was far from perfect but as a first time demonstrator I have to say very good effort!
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Could hydrogen keep the internal-combustion engine alive?
Toyota plans to go racing with a car whose internal-combustion engine runs on pure hydrogen.
Petrol generators can be converted to propane so why not cars? I know propane is a fossil fuel but why cant other volatile gases be used?Another link to a hydrogen ICE vehicle article on the Corolla by Toyota, this one has a video with the engine noise. Hadn’t fully appreciated it competed in an endurance race. It was far from perfect but as a first time demonstrator I have to say very good effort!
Could hydrogen keep the internal-combustion engine alive?
Toyota plans to go racing with a car whose internal-combustion engine runs on pure hydrogen.
Another thing, fork lifts in factories also run on gas.
erubus
Land Rover Buddha
LPG?
DarrenH
Posting Guru
lpg is butane/propane mix, but to generalise about "gas" there is a logistical issue with refuelling, as the gas is pressurised to liquify it (logistical issue compared to petrol and diesel i mean, which is just gravity)
if you dont liquefy them, youve got this going on....
Don’t knock it Darren, with a bit more lightweight engineering it might fly…or you could use it to save people jumping from burning buildings 
You’d also never need to find shade to park in on hot days, although my local multi storey car park might be an issue!
You’d also never need to find shade to park in on hot days, although my local multi storey car park might be an issue!
BaldRick84
Overdrive!
This reminds me of the Dads Army film. Jones has one of these gas bags strapped to his butchers van. It breaks down with the Platoon onboard. An AA man drives past on his motorbike and quips "you don't want me, you want the gas company".
Also how to stop hydrogen escaping from the system if you park it up for a few weeks!
Another thought occurs to me, why not store the hydrogen in removable canisters like calor that way the lack of fixed infrastructure wouldn't be so much of an issue and you could carry a mini bottle for an emergency get me home.
Or the new E10 petrol growing out of your tank
Problem sorted… just ordered one of these, should give me enough power for my electric motor.
so if you fitted a standard LPG kit, would that facilitate the use of any gas?
i'm sure i read an article a few years back about producing gas and bio-ethanol from a digester/still system. i remember being intrigued as it would make for fuel supplies in remote areas. i know there are digesters running which use the gas directly to run generators, so would that just be a matter of cracking the storage issue?
i used to know a guy who was working with woodgas. had one for his cabin and one on a car that he used for shifting around his woods. he was an engineer and the units were really tidy, so much nicer than most i have seen. again though it needed to be used directly. though having a firebox and running a landy like a steamer would be fun. i know its been done before on a 101, dread to think what the insurance would say though.
could they be dissolved like they do with acetylene?
i'm sure i read an article a few years back about producing gas and bio-ethanol from a digester/still system. i remember being intrigued as it would make for fuel supplies in remote areas. i know there are digesters running which use the gas directly to run generators, so would that just be a matter of cracking the storage issue?
i used to know a guy who was working with woodgas. had one for his cabin and one on a car that he used for shifting around his woods. he was an engineer and the units were really tidy, so much nicer than most i have seen. again though it needed to be used directly. though having a firebox and running a landy like a steamer would be fun. i know its been done before on a 101, dread to think what the insurance would say though.
could they be dissolved like they do with acetylene?
Indeed, and all the hardened rubber hoses…..Or the new E10 petrol growing out of your tank
When did you get a delorean???
No, going to do a conversation on the Landy, that is going to sit in the middle of the bonnet, the good thing is, these days councils are so bad at emptying communal bins and those at the lay-bys it is a ready made infrastructure set up and free!
Are you getting the flying option as well? Or the special offer on flux capacitors??
I'm playing the Devils Advocate here, but I seem to be detecting an undercurrent of denial here.
Firstly there are the heads buried in the sand, who insist that no ban will ever take place.
Of course you are free to believe whatever you like.
But if you do accept that there will be a ban on petrol and diesel, is it worth trying to keep your beloved old Land Rover alive at all ?
Battery/electric is simple enough, the technology is proven, and is still improving rapidly.
But it gives you a vehicle with all the charisma of a milk float.
Not acceptable to a lot of people.
So what about a hydrogen powered IC engine.
It sounds like a promising concept doesn't it ?
Except that it is an impractical nightmare at present.
Hydrogen is a nightmare to store and use.
You'd need a massive cryogenically cooled tank.
I think you can imagine the consequences of a cooling failure, especially in an underground car park.
Then you think that you could use that Hydrogen to power a nice big IC engine.
It might be modern and computer controlled, but it would sound and drive just like your beloved two and a quarter petrol.
Paradise found ?
Except that when you burn hydrogen in a spark ignition engine, you are burning it in air which is approx 79% nitrogen.
You can get all sorts of toxic compounds formed apparently - not acceptable unless you can engineer them away .
So at present the only really clean way to use hydrogen is into a fuel cell to power an electric motor - back to the milk float again !
How about an IC engine which runs on hydrogen and oxygen only - no nitrogen present in the combustion chamber ?
So now I'm imagining a nice big lithium ion battery, an electolisis reactor turning water into hydrogen and oxygen, the a specialist IC engine to burn the gases and turn them back into water.
It seems a very complicated and expensive way of replacing a petrol tank, but it could just work.
Firstly there are the heads buried in the sand, who insist that no ban will ever take place.
Of course you are free to believe whatever you like.
But if you do accept that there will be a ban on petrol and diesel, is it worth trying to keep your beloved old Land Rover alive at all ?
Battery/electric is simple enough, the technology is proven, and is still improving rapidly.
But it gives you a vehicle with all the charisma of a milk float.
Not acceptable to a lot of people.
So what about a hydrogen powered IC engine.
It sounds like a promising concept doesn't it ?
Except that it is an impractical nightmare at present.
Hydrogen is a nightmare to store and use.
You'd need a massive cryogenically cooled tank.
I think you can imagine the consequences of a cooling failure, especially in an underground car park.
Then you think that you could use that Hydrogen to power a nice big IC engine.
It might be modern and computer controlled, but it would sound and drive just like your beloved two and a quarter petrol.
Paradise found ?
Except that when you burn hydrogen in a spark ignition engine, you are burning it in air which is approx 79% nitrogen.
You can get all sorts of toxic compounds formed apparently - not acceptable unless you can engineer them away .
So at present the only really clean way to use hydrogen is into a fuel cell to power an electric motor - back to the milk float again !
How about an IC engine which runs on hydrogen and oxygen only - no nitrogen present in the combustion chamber ?
So now I'm imagining a nice big lithium ion battery, an electolisis reactor turning water into hydrogen and oxygen, the a specialist IC engine to burn the gases and turn them back into water.
It seems a very complicated and expensive way of replacing a petrol tank, but it could just work.
Rather than all this focus on replacing IC with an alternate but clean power unit, how about reducing the need to travel? Where the hell are people going in all those cars clogging the roads everyday? I've long argued that the negative impact of the move from local employment, shops, etc., to drive-to malls, industrial estates, etc., etc., has been the root of many of our problems.
It's a massive debating subject and links so many of the issues that plague us today from congestion, pollution, through to community and social problems.
It's a massive debating subject and links so many of the issues that plague us today from congestion, pollution, through to community and social problems.
vykkagur
In Fourth Gear
And there you've hit it. Hydrogen is a corporate fuel, like petrol and dino-diesel. Unlike other renewables, it's production at a manageable price requires complex, multi-billion dollar technology that can only be operated economically by Big Business (with subsidies, many of them hidden, from their chums in goverment, of course). Those who are looking forward to the arrival of hydrogen-fuelled vehicles are simply offering up their cobblers as hostage to the same type of sleazy, Lexus-driving profiteers in suits who currently control our lives via petroleum. Trading one master for another.